(Spoilers) Ardenweald, Tyrande, Elune and Sylvanas

Tyrande’s model was changed so that she doesn’t have the Night Warrior eyes anymore :roll_eyes: :roll_eyes: :roll_eyes:

So they just went from her sharing the powers to her losing the powers entirely.
I’m surprised that nobody is talking about this.

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What solution do you propose? Is one eye white and the other black? Or gray, four parts of white (or did you find only three night warriors?) For one part of black?

The Titans are also the youngest of the Pantheons as it is stated that the Arbiter is older than the Titans.

The Pantheon of Order probably doesn’t see the other Pantheons as Siblings nor the other way round.

Indeed. They are considered God-like yet are still not Gods. They are pretty much just some anomaly of the Great Dark Beyond’s big bang-like creation that is equal if not higher in power to the other Pantheons which are a deliberate creation of the First Ones for a grand purpose!

Zovaal was fought to a standstill by the Primus in 9.1 forcing the Jailer to either(since we don’t exactly see the actual cutscene in current PTR and don’t know what happens) get help or strain his powers to get the Sigil from him.

If I had to guess, it’s probably because the Night Warrior was such an ill defined, poorly displayed power-up in the first place. It’s hard to really mark it as significant when you kicked off its reveal with Darkshore, and when Tyrande is seen doing things that other characters of at her weight class appear to simply be able to do. Call that a consequence of power creep in the characters (it is), but it’s hard to wrap your mind around relative powers when that’s how things are. I still, for instance, haven’t seen her do anything that really impresses me in the same way that say… Shandris Feathermoon in Orgrimmar did.

The only item that concerns me, and this concerns me quite a bit, is that Blizzard will use this occasion to significantly nerf her and get her beat up all of the time and claim “oh, that was because she lost the Night Warrior powerup” - essentially using it as a fake explanation so that they’ve got the green light to treat her like a pushover.

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Didn’t she already get beat up everytime?
By Nathanos in Darkshore, and by Sylvanas in Ardenweald.
Yes she killed a severely wounded Nathanos in the Pre patch, but anyone could’ve finished him. Especially since he was looking for his death.

Technically Nathanos was chased off. We don’t know the details yet about Ardenweald. I didn’t pick up on the idea, from the cinematic, that Nathanos was severely wounded either.

Was Darkshore poorly released and poorly presented? Yes, but we do need to be accurate here.

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Yup, but that was after she needed Malfurion’s help.

When she engaged Nathanos alone, she was definitely losing, and there’s nothing you can say to convince me of the opposite if you just rewatch the fight.

I was wondering how long it would take for you to catch that. Wowhead kind of buried the lead in that post.

I get the disappointment in Tyrande not really doing anything of note as the Night Warrior, I hoped she would be the Alliance’s edgy character going forward.

But if you really are a fan of Tyrande you ought to be happy because any other outcome would have meant Tyrande was doomed, either from the Night Warrior curse, or the villain batting curse. No other option was viable.

Are you referring to the first iteration where she was losing health or the second iteration where she wasn’t?

If you were to say that UI differences are vanishingly small details for audiences to pick up on, fair point and I agree, but that does matter to the strict canon of the event.

I’m just going to point out, black eyes or no, this is still possible. Remember that Tyrande exists to fit the role in the narrative of “screeching idiot who is wrong”, and that tumor on her character hasn’t changed much since they introduced it back in MoP.

There’s no need to convince you. You’re factually wrong, no matter what you believe.

Go ahead an play the Alliance scenario again. Tyrande broke out of the Val’kyr’s Jailer empowered chains by herself. Nathanos could not land a hit on Tyrande at all. And the Val’kyr buffed Nathanos to have double his health, so would have been double dead by the time he ran away.

In reality, she engages Nathanos, fights him, then she gets chained up and he says “Any last words?”.
She then frees herself from the chains, but needs Malfurion’s help to make Nathanos escape.

No matter how you spin it around, Tyrande did not beat Nathanos there.

I’m not claiming that she did. This however:

Is not accurate.

I don’t want to come down on you with these things, because you’re right be pessimistic. But you get yourself into trouble when you make errors like this one, or state predictions as though they were facts. The conversation becomes about the inaccuracies rather than whether pessimism is actually warranted (which it is).

I’m trying to help here.

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Her eye glow is stronger now than pre night warrior too, maybe an after effect of Elune possessing her

Intentionally. The outcry over the 9.1 story is exacerbating the ongoing community displeasure

Nah her being personally saved by Elune ex Machina saves her from this.

C’mon you know Alliance characters cannot get the villain bat unless Old Gods and their minions (Fandral, Benedictus) or Pro Union political takes (Defias) are involved :stuck_out_tongue:

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This part is so terrible lol, completely made up during 9.1 and it makes no sense at all.

Those are weird exceptions, but I’m going to ask you to explain Leyara then.

Yes, I know that you’re going to go to Old Gods, but she wasn’t corrupted by them. She joined them willingly, and for a very specific reason. That same reason is the concern with Tyrande, and the foreshadowing exists for it already.

So please explain that to me.

No, it wasn’t intentional. I saw them edit the posting in real time. They missed the new Tyrande eyes for quite a while after the post went up. They edited it after quite a bit of time passed to mention it, and I don’t think their tools are robust enough to change the original post highlight which was Sylvanas’s quiver (which I’m quite sure most people do not care about one bit).

If they could take it back I’m completely positive that Wowhead would have highlighted the Tyrande eyes in its own post. I’m sure they will soon. Fansites live for drama.

So did Benedictus and Fandral. They both chose to side with the Old Gods.

Only prior example is Amanthul speaking through Wrathion as he ate Leishens heart

Idk the recent Wowhead Nobbel interview felt like a damage control interview :eyes:

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Interesting, worth checking out.

I’ve mostly put Wowhead in the anti-Sylvanas, anti-Forsaken bias category. It would be interesting for them to recognize that their rhetoric has driven certain segments of the fanbase into an irrational frenzy over what is after all, a fictional story in a fictional world.

Or was it just Night Elves mad? Because I’ll be honest…that hound don’t hunt anymore.

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Then that makes the exceptions even weirder, and makes this a dodge.

But to go to Leyara - Leyara was explicitly cast as evil for wanting to take revenge on the Horde, and was something of a cardboard cut out attack on upset Night Elf players at the time, who were not satisfied with the “the Horde has happened!” version of Ashenvale.

The thing you’re forgetting here, Baal, is that the Night Elves do not get the same privileges that the rest of the Alliance do. The Night Elves are the five MPH crunch bumper for the Alliance’s car - we take the hits so that the rest of the faction is preserved. That means we get hit the hardest, that means our characters suffer to prop up other characters in the Alliance, and that means we have to endure villain batting - over that, over Pride, and with the foreshadowing that Tyrande underwent, that the rest of the faction doesn’t have to worry about.

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You’re correct in doing so. All the main Wowhead people main alliance, as does Nobbel, Taliesin, Mr GM, Hazel, and Bellular and more. There is one exception but I forgot who.

Only Horde Main content creators I am aware of are Accolon and Pyromancer.

And wasn’t allowed to be her own villain.

That’s the thing, all Alliance villain bats come with a “Plot Armor Dissociation” card. Alliance villains always become Corrupted™ but Horde villains even when VISIBLY CORRUPTED are always affirmed to have been their own person even during corruption.

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