Spec viability in Classic

[Grimjack-zuljin (Grimjack)]

@Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel

So i can interrupt. Yep we got like 3 or 4 classes that can do that.

You didn’t back then…

Rogue was the premier interrupt class and it wasn’t until later that other classes got access to it. Also rogue had the lowest cd on interrupt.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Sabetha-turalyon

@Ziryus-doomhammer

So like I said the difficulty of something weighs into how viable it was.

Nope. Viable is still purely about if it can be done or not.

Once you show me even a theory about how one can walk on the sun then I’ll admit it might be viable. Once you show me proof of it happening, I’ll admit it is viable.

I should also note that a theory is a rather specific thing in science. Saying “Well if we do this impossible thing we can’t do, it would work!” isn’t actually a scientific theory.

I should also note: A suit that could survive the heat and gravitational forces of the sun wouldn’t mean the person inside the suit would survive it so even IF such a suit were possible to built, even in theory, that’s still out.

I did, all you need a space suit that can withstand the heat and gravity and a way to get there, and fine if the person has to survive a way out. And you can walk on the sun.

There’s clearly some hurdles to overcome there but it’s technically possible. Just like hybrids have more hurdles to overcome to get a raid spot than a pure dps but it’s technically possible.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

knowing the ingenuity of people and the way gear can effect things, wouldnt surprise me if someone came up with an arcane build that worked in raids, though it might only be considered arcane cause it has 1 more pt spent in it, than frost or fire. the talent trees in vanilla and the crazy gear, can lead to all kinds of crazy goodness.

[Hrothknut-dark-iron (Hrothknut)]

@Sabetha-turalyon

If Seal of the Crusader stacking turns out to be legit, I vote we do a raid that has nothing but Ret Paladins and Smite Priests for DPS.

Then post the video here on the forums for all the people who think hybrids are bad at DPS =P

Honestly, I would find that hilarious, and curious what the dev response would be if ‘unintended’ (whatever you take that to mean in the context of ‘authenticity’ of Classic to Vanilla).

[Daark-cenarius]

Again, you are confusing possible with viable. I have no idea what crusade you are out here to prove. But I am sure it is not possible to convince you that you are wrong, about anything.

It is 100% possible to play vanilla as a hybrid. But you provide no context other than Death and Taxes did Naxx with hybrids. You discount 3/4 of the content and the first year and a half of the game. GL to you in your sandbox, getting you out of retail will do so much good for this game.

[Sereña-thrall]

I think that I’m more likely to see Bigfoot than a true Arcane Mage (got all the way to the 31 point talent).

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

@Daark-cenarius

Again, you are confusing possible with viable.

Viable means possible.

[Dracarian-darrowmere (Dracarian)]

@Hypêrspace-dalaran

knowing the ingenuity of people and the way gear can effect things, wouldnt surprise me if someone came up with an arcane build that worked in raids, though it might only be considered arcane cause it has 1 more pt spent in it, than frost or fire. the talent trees in vanilla and the crazy gear, can lead to all kinds of crazy goodness.

sure they can, it will just require a level 40 helm plus endless farming of Gnomeregan to make it work…

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

arent most builds a combo? like some arcane and a bunch of fire or frost?

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

@Grimjack-zuljin

Rogue was the premier interrupt class and it wasn’t until later that other classes got access to it.

Counter spell was always in game, and also very potent, and more ideal because its a range ability. I would not call rogue the premier interrupt class as their interrupt is no better / worse than mage counter spell. Both can be talented for a blanket silence, but the well timed interrupt is more potent, because the blanket silence effect only lasts a very short duration.

Warriors did not get pummel til 1.2 or 1.3, and that was really early vanilla still; early enough that the few warriors who were doing DPS at the time were expected to use it on their designated target at the appointed time / turn of interrupt.

There was no DR in PVE on interrupt effects in Vanilla so it was typically used often as possible with out wasting a raid interrupt for a valuable spell.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

@Hypêrspace-dalaran

arent most builds a combo?

Yes! That’s why I generally use builds with regard to Vanilla talent choices. Unlike retail where you pick a spec first and talents second.

[Daark-cenarius]

In this context, it does not. It is possible for a shadow priest to off tank UBRS. I’ve done it. But that does not in anyway mean that shadow is a viable dungeon off-tank.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

xplain?

[Sabetha-turalyon (Sabetha)]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

I did, all you need a space suit that can withstand the heat and gravity and a way to get there, and fine if the person has to survive a way out. And you can walk on the sun.

There’s clearly some hurdles to overcome there but it’s technically possible. Just like hybrids have more hurdles to overcome to get a raid spot than a pure dps but it’s technically possible.

Science isn’t your strong suit, is it?

There are so many reasons that it’s not technically possible I’m not even sure where I would begin to explain.

but we have real world evidence of our claim. All you have is the claim that if you do impossible things, you can make it work.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

@Daark-cenarius

But that does not in anyway mean that shadow is a viable dungeon off-tank.

Yes, it does. It doesn’t, however, mean that shadow is the OPTIMAL dungeon off-tank.

For crying out loud there is VIDEO evidence of a shadow priest MAIN TANKING Onyxia.

[Sereña-thrall]

Well, to the point that they invested enough points to get deep into the tree.

Not some 20-15-16 type.

Like 36-10-5 or something : /

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

whats the point of the dungeon? to finish it successfully yes?

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

So like I said the difficulty of something weighs into how viable it was.

the key part of viable is successfully. can we successfully walk on the sun?
no.
can a hybrid successfully do enough dps to beat enrage timers?
yes

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

@Grimjack-zuljin

@Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel

So i can interrupt. Yep we got like 3 or 4 classes that can do that.

You didn’t back then…

Rogue was the premier interrupt class and it wasn’t until later that other classes got access to it. Also rogue had the lowest cd on interrupt.

and does that utility compare to what a druid brings to the table?
or what a shaman or paladin or priest brings to the table?
or heck any class brings to the table?
nope. not even close.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Sabetha-turalyon

@Ziryus-doomhammer

I did, all you need a space suit that can withstand the heat and gravity and a way to get there, and fine if the person has to survive a way out. And you can walk on the sun.

There’s clearly some hurdles to overcome there but it’s technically possible. Just like hybrids have more hurdles to overcome to get a raid spot than a pure dps but it’s technically possible.

Science isn’t your strong suit, is it?

There are so many reasons that it’s not technically possible I’m not even sure where I would begin to explain.

but we have real world evidence of our claim. All you have is the claim that if you do impossible things, you can make it work.

Logic isn’t yours is it?

Let’s go back say 100 years, walking on the moon would have seemed equally absurd. It has since become possible. Do you consider it viable?