Speaking of PUGs...I'm Considering It

Listen, it’s 9am as I type this, and my coffee has gone cold, so it’s time for me to go do my daily adulting…but I want to post this first and see what y’all think.

I highly dislike being afraid of things. I’m a grown woman who has lived on four continents and in like eleventy US states. I’ve lived through language barriers and finished a degree while parenting a kid in elementary school and moving three times while I did it. I have been a dog rescue transport driver in countries that drive on both sides of the road. I have eaten things I couldn’t identify, met high level government officials with my nerves intact–even two Presidents–and so the idea that I can’t make myself run an M+ pug anymore bothers me.

I don’t like that I have this…thing. I don’t like it.

So. I’m considering pugging my own keys a few times, just to see if I can find a better head space with it and have a good time again. I used to really enjoy it, and I like this expansion. I’d like to just be one of those people again who can pug M+ for fun.

My keys are all 9’s and 10’s right now, but I want to make groups that are chill completion groups where we try to time it but if we don’t, nobody tilts out.

Help me with how to post this.

I haven’t been in the pug life for a long, long time. I don’t know the keywords anymore.

I would love your suggestions for how to post keys so that the applicants I receive will be of a similar mind. We’re gonna finish this key together (within reason, obviously), and if we time it, great. If we don’t, I’m not going to rip your head off.

What does that look like in the dungeon finder?

2 Likes

Weekly no leaver is the general term

3 Likes

I agree with weekly no leaver and maybe add chill, and maybe get them to put in the note “happy with a chill run” so you know they can understand your words

You could list it as “+10 Completion Read Description”

Then the description could be:

Weekly no leaver, chill run, maybe over timer. Put in the note “happy with a chill run”

3 Likes

brilliant. I never would’ve considered that. Thank you.

3 Likes

Thanks! Having applicants put something in the note is really helpful to ensure they understand and agree to the expectations (and can read, which is a nice bonus)

2 Likes

Uh yeah, wall of text but while I was typing this I noticed some replies and I’m afraid all of them are very wrong.

This is was a good key post looks like:
+10

That’s it.

The moment you start buttering it too much it sounds like it’s gonna be some clown show, specially is you say “completion”, or “for vault”, or “no leaver”. All these terms mean one thing: “we will most likely wipe a lot, not time, and I want to hold people hostage until we finish”. The actual good players that you want in your group DO NOT apply to keys like that. Sure you will get the people who want completion and no drama drama, but these people are usually the cause of drama, they usually play terrible and cause the keys to deplete which infuriates good players who then leave. The good players also want no drama keys, but their no drama keys are just keys without bad players. Those are not just completed, they are timedvery easily. Now let me ask you this, if you want to post your own keys, and you have a 10, do you want it to become a useless 9, or an 11 that you do as is or lower to a 10 which all count for vault? (of course I’m talking about the fact that myth track rewards in your vault from doing 10s is all that matter)
Everytime your 10 gets depleted it means you need to do one extra key on top just to get it back to 10, and that might not even be timed if you keep asking for “completion players” to join you.

Trust me, I’m an actual pugging doctor.

Let me ask you this, if you advertise your key with “weekly no leaver”, how does that prevent anyone from leaving? It doesn’t. Those are just words, words send a message, and the message is interpreted in some ways.
The message people read here is that this wont be a fun easy key.

Currently in 10s it’s very possible to get people to stomp these keys, I’m talking easy smash 20 minutes no (or almost no) deaths. These keys are easier, more chill, faster, and safer than most +7s which are filled with people who apparently play with their nose on a laptop touchpad.

I will give you the best tip to have the smoothest runs possible:

Pug early in the week, the people who scramble around on sunday and monday nights to finish their vaults are the people who kept getting rejected all week long and still need more dungeons done later in the week. Keys on the first 3 days are way better.

Take the time to fill with good players, don’t lose your patience cuz you can’t find a tank after 5 minutes and just take the first rambo who applies with his 655 ilvl and 2.2k rating and best run for your dungeon is a failed 8. There’s people better than that out there specially early in the week it’s not hard to find a bunch of 2600+ 660+ilvl players who already timed your keys as a 10 or above.

Make a good comp, don’t stack specs with their zero aoe stuns, don’t forget a lust, make a strong team.

Avoid inviting Ragnaros, Azralon and Quel’thalas. The currency exchance of their 2700 ratings turns out to be 1200 in NA.

Download raider io addon if you don’t already have it, people usually link their main, and if they have a high score on main they’re usually good on their alts as well, if you don’t have the addon you won’t see this and might miss out on inviting a good player cuz you will only see their current rating which is probably doesn’t accurately represents their skill level.

If you can tank, do it. Tanks are the backbone of a group, they control everything, DPS even ask them when they should lust. If the tank doesn’t move, no one moves, if they tank moves in the wrong spot, everyone is in the wrong spot. People often talk about how they don’t want to handle the stress of tanking, I find it less stressful than watching a tank go in the wrong direction and I’m forced to go down the wrong direction with him cuz I can’t do anything by myself. Not to mention people will JUMP at the opportunity to join a group that already has a tank, which makes the previous points of inviting good players and making a good team comp MUCH easier.

2 Likes

Demascuss#1248 - always happy to help. Got a DPS or two and a tank geared up enough pushing 10-12s. I know it defeats the purpose of “pug” but it’s still pug life

1 Like

Thank you, Lepta. I will consider all of this. Seriously. /fist bump

I might take you up on that. :slight_smile:

Edited to add: but I gotta get rid of this 9 Meadery first because…I still haven’t had a successful 8-10 in that dungeon. That first room. I’ve studied it, but whether I’m boomie or Resto, something always goes catastrophically wrong. We don’t control those mobs well enough to keep it from being an excrement production.

So. Anyway, I won’t be starting with that key. I’m waiting for a Workshop or a ToP or a Rookery because I know those best and will be confident I can keep up my end.

1 Like

I hope your adventures are fruitful and good luck in your vaults.

For reference, i strictly pug. Ive left maybe 10 keys since m+ was implemented, and i understand we’re human and mistakes happen.

Also…my tank needs 4 more dungeons to round off 10s so it would be perfect lol

1 Like

Loolie#1812

Ill add ya when i get back from the gym and see what we can do

Set expectations to low in the group listing description. People looking for more experienced groups with expectations of clearing the timer will most likely avoid the group and you’ll get people that will be more patient.

Be as descriptive as possible as to what kind of group it is, avoid insulting those you prefer not to join your group.

1 Like

Agreed. Although listing a smooth “+10” can attract good players, it can also attract people who expect a quick clear, do a 5-pack first pull and then leave after the wipe.

Eh i disagree with this. The more effort you put into this the more it sounds like youre compensating for something. Best to just list as is

If you want the run to be completed, you should say it. As a fellow “pug doctor” (lol love that term) everyone assumes “beat timer” as the default mode. If you pug 4 people, the chances all 4 of them will stay for completion without that expectation being communicated are low, and once one leaves, everyone leaves.

1 Like

the first problem, of course, is the possibility for lots of butt pulls.

but you have to interrupt the pyromancers. get two of them at once and it can be a bad time if you don’t have rolling stuns and interrupts. healing stunned = gg

Right. But you can set that as the “type” of run without having to give a 500 word essay on what youre trying to accomplish. Simple “reminder” when the group is assembled too wouldnt hurt.

I hear you but then you get people who don’t speak English and don’t know what completion means who are just mass applying to 10s and leave at the first mistake.