Or… maybe he is just trolling with the latest hottest topic of the forums like he always do?
Why even go there just post your wrath toons name and log in and I view their achievements. One of many toons was bloodgorge drenden server if I remember correctly. Should show I did naxx/uldaur+HMs/ToC+HMs though I can be honest and say I left in ICC and none of the rets we had were basement garbage.
I will give you the W. After reading it again you did not actually say from wrath launch. Because rets did not perform that bad till T9 with T7 gear.
Rets were not garbage in ICC, what is your problem?
Where did I say they were garbage in ICC?
Class balancing in Wrath happened ALWAYS with the current raid tier and gear.
For patch 3.3.5 it was ICC. No major class changes since the release of ICC, so therefore, ret DPS was rounded FOR ICC and the gear that dropped in ICC.
If you were to:
- Run Naxxramas / EoE / Malygos with t7 gear, your DPS would SUCK.
- Run Ulduar with Ulduar gear, your DPS would suck a little less
- Run ToC with ToC gear, your DPS would suck a little less than it sucked in Ulduar.
Is it hard to understand that the balancing and the scaling of classes in Classic isn’t linear based on ilvl gear like it is on retail? Or is this concept way too hard to understand that the class will only function properly with patch 3.3.5 when we hit ICC and they get their T10 4P and a good weapon from ICC?
I give you the W. Not because you are right but because you are not giving a timeline of patches. Sorry Ret was middle upper in t7 at wrath launch and still mid upper Ulduar. Then ToC was the bigger nerfs but the gear kept them middle. Then in ICC they were again mid and with the gear upper mid but never top.
Now they are basement its just that simple. If you can parse (example) a 95 and be 13th under people parsing 80 you are garbage tier. It tells people go over to rogue which has a spec that’s even easier and do 20% more damage.
They were good! I know they were! But then they got nerfed during ICC because their excessive damage. That is why I said:
Ret pallies are balanced around Icecrown Citadel patch, for the Icecrown Citadel content with their tier.
It tells people to play whatever you want, your not missing a boss kill because of ret DPS. But if you are playing the class that does the most DPS always you probably want to play UH DK right now.
You say this like all hybrid specs aren’t also in the same boat. WOTLK was still the era of the hybrid tax.
Just go reroll warlock so that we can see you dum rets get rekt on that class too lmao.
Play what you think is fun. You bring great support and enough damage to clear the content. Focus less on parse culture and cookie cutter comps.
I run a 10m raid group and would almost always bring a ret along for another blessing and source of replenishment.
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Class performance is not spec performance though. They clearly stated that they are happy with the amount of paladins in raids. You are just going to have to wait until ICC for your time at the top.
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with that low dps don’t expect get prio’d for shadowmourne either
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most represented class in arena in all brackets at all ratings (even beating out the disgusting ele shaman)
easiest tank to play in the game (cheat death talent)
good pve healing (3drake 10man for example)
access to shadowmourne unlike 70% of the classes in the game
can solo to get crazy gold (can solo hyjal waves for example)
who TF cares about pve dps rankings lol
if u wanted to top raid dps charts you have almost 15 years of data you could have googled for 10 seconds and picked another class
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pretty much this in a nutshell.
if someone like asmongold can clear raids with ease, you guys can too.
this is also why classes were tuned for arena, and for good reason.
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Rets where most powerful in S8 gameplay. It is S5 right now so be patient.
Not compared to other DPS classes though. I think that’s where you can’t understand the problem.
Ret. Is. Balanced. Around. Tier. 10. Set. Not. Scaling. From. Raw. Stats.
Once you get this through your head you’ll be less mediocre.
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That might be true, but what does that even mean for wotlk ? I mean seriously, what is hard to play in wow pve ?
Oh, and UA warrior is actually easyer to play. Just spam the 1 button…
Maybe if they ever did a wrath season of mastery balancing could be fun, but not in this current version of wrath.
You can interpret things however you like but that isn’t what they said. What they said specifically that it would only be if a class was “unviable” and was “so junk it couldn’t get into raids”. While your spec may be among the worst currently in the game it still provides important utility and isn’t at all unviable just sub-optimal. You do have two other options you can take, which is what paladins have done in classic ever since it launched without complaining.
Targeted balance changes are unrealistic. They don’t want to buff a spec to nerf it again later. I know Paladins expected to be OP in Wrath and it didn’t pan out - but classes have been in the dumpster for all of classic & TBCC without ever demanding buffs like rets are now (and that’s with 0 meta specs, you have 2 now).
You guys need to dial back, realize the game you’re playing and understand that being sub-optimal in classic is okay and has been okay for years.
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Play a class with more than 4 buttons. No sympathy for low IQ ret pallies
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Most paladins bind those 4 buttons to a 1 button cast rotation…
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No one whos competent is macroing their rotation
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