Something I thought I'd bring up for discussion - Cocoon Nerfs in 10.1

So I’m not going to bring this up as a QQ post, more as a discussion post, since the change to cocoon is sold as just freeing up an honor talent for mistweavers. I find few people understand that there’s 3 different absorb values for cocoon, but this change is a 600k absorb nerf on the castweaver cocoon.

The cocoon most fisties run is the short cocoon, 55 second cooldown, 240k absorb (due to 40% reduced absorb as the cost).

The cocoon that’s baseline, but no one uses, but everyone will be using next patch is 400k, with a 1 min 15 sec cd.

The cocoon castweavers use currently when stacked to 50, which takes a bit to generate, is a 1 min 15 sec cd and is a 1 million damage absorb, which we’re losing the option of next patch.

It’s a talent we currently soak 5 talent points into as castweaver (since it forces us to take essence font, which we don’t use) and one honor talent currently (4 talents and 1 honor point as fisty, since they actually use essence font), and after this change it will be 5 talent points with no honor talent. This point is where I’d say it’s justifiable that it’s an insanely strong cooldown, given that the survival cooldowns of other healers is often one or two talent points… That said, a 1 million absorb is prettttttty crazy. I didn’t realize just how high the scaling on that was at 50 stacks.

I personally am not opposed to scaling it back, it’s just… scaling it back by 600k without even mentioning the balance implications of that, seems kinda sketchy. Don’t get me wrong, it’s strong in other ways, and provides a 70% healing buff during that time, along with all our hots… but that goes away when cocoon goes away, and soaks a lot of talents for it to be the case.

Thoughts, opinions? Genuinely curious.

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Honestly MW is fine and if your struggling it’s likely user error tbh :roll_eyes:

First off, you’re the one always crying about rets being nerfed. Secondly, this isn’t addressing current mistweaver, it’s addressing mistweaver in the next patch.

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I mean if a Lamborghini is fast now idk why it wouldn’t still be fast in 3 weeks

When the patch notes for Lambo says that 2 of its wheels are going to be missing from now on, I’d think there’d be pause for concern on the speed.

FYI, that person is stringing you along in bad faith. It’s not a legitimate poster.

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Talk about hyperbole :roll_eyes:

It’s 1 little talent change out of 70+ talent points we get and 50+ abilities

a 150% nerf to our main cooldown is hardly hyperbolic.

I realize he’s the ret troll. I’m just bored. =P

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Just play the other talent?

Woah rocket scientist :man_scientist: :exploding_head:

There is no other talent now.

There’s plenty of other talents

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Slap him on ignore like I did. It will do wonders for your forums QoL :rofl:

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Idk biebz been kinda funny recently

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Not on the ret beating the dead horse he hasn’t lmao.

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I didn’t realize sharing my honest opinion on my spec was “beating a dead horse”

If anything Ret is the horse in this analogy and Blizz is our whipping boy

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Currently, without high levels of dampening, cocoon is essentially an external immunity when it comes to damage prevention. These nerfs are fine and it will still be incredibly strong.

I don’t mind trolling only thing that annoys me is the non stop booster threads that other people do

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The homogenization of classes has really hurt certain specs
Aka Cocoon in this case

Devs just toss a broad stroke over spells they think are similar and give them the same effect without thought if the other spec affected has the other tools

sad to say it ,But this is the faith of cocoon

Dampening is specifically what I’m concerned about. There were expansions where my cocoon would only be like 10% of someone’s life due to dampening, and that’s about the worst feeling in the world. It’s still possible it’ll be fine (though with damage being the way it is, I’m not so sure), but figured I’d bring it up as a point of concern.

what cooldown was cocoon similar to? I don’t really get where you’re going with this post.

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thinking pain suppression, but disc also has other cooldowns unlike monk or am I missing something here

be gentle DH IQ here