I think it’s a case of Blizzard overexposing a character thinking the fandom loves it as much as they do.
10/09/2018 02:49 PMPosted by ErylaedrisI'm not sure horrified is the right adjective.
He feels slight regret at the end of Dark Mirror
He briefly hesitates when Sylvanas orders the tree burned
He briefly hesitates at the end of Battle for Lordaeron.
Theres slight foreshadowing sure but following those he also goes right back to being Sylvanas' most annoying cheerleader.
He was definitely horrified when Sylvanas had her Dark Rangers kill the Desolate Council Members who were slow to return to her when she blew her horn...
10/09/2018 02:53 PMPosted by Yvenathilm10/09/2018 02:49 PMPosted by ErylaedrisI'm not sure horrified is the right adjective.
He feels slight regret at the end of Dark Mirror
He briefly hesitates when Sylvanas orders the tree burned
He briefly hesitates at the end of Battle for Lordaeron.
Theres slight foreshadowing sure but following those he also goes right back to being Sylvanas' most annoying cheerleader.
He was definitely horrified when Sylvanas had her Dark Rangers kill the Desolate Council Members who were slow to return to her when she blew her horn...
That I will give you,
Yet he is still Sylvanas' biggest fanboy
She'll go too far.10/09/2018 03:02 PMPosted by Erylaedris10/09/2018 02:53 PMPosted by Yvenathilm...
He was definitely horrified when Sylvanas had her Dark Rangers kill the Desolate Council Members who were slow to return to her when she blew her horn...
That I will give you,
Yet he is still Sylvanas' biggest fanboy
I'll believe it when I see it.
"Wait and see" was the popular response when people were pointing out that Sylvanas burning the Tree would be an absolutely asinine story decision.
That turned out so well
"Wait and see" was the popular response when people were pointing out that Sylvanas burning the Tree would be an absolutely asinine story decision.
That turned out so well
10/09/2018 03:04 PMPosted by Treng<span class="truncated">...</span>She'll go too far.
That I will give you,
Yet he is still Sylvanas' biggest fanboy
She hasn't already?
That begs the question, what is too far? His stay and listen speech makes it clear literal, complete genocide is a ok with him.
For Nathanos?...She'll go too far.
She hasn't already?
I imagine the final straw will be whatever she's serving / whatever her endgoal actually is.
10/09/2018 03:20 PMPosted by TrengI imagine the final straw will be whatever she's serving / whatever her endgoal actually is.
Once he realizes that she will gladly sacrifice his own Soul to stay alive he will finally have enough and let all of his inner regrets that he repressed for her sake come to the surface!
Naw, I think he'd willingly die for her as things stand now TBH.10/09/2018 03:23 PMPosted by Yvenathilm10/09/2018 03:20 PMPosted by TrengI imagine the final straw will be whatever she's serving / whatever her endgoal actually is.
Once he realizes that she will gladly sacrifice his own Soul to stay alive he will finally have enough and let all of his inner regrets that he repressed for her sake come to the surface!
10/09/2018 03:23 PMPosted by Yvenathilm10/09/2018 03:20 PMPosted by TrengI imagine the final straw will be whatever she's serving / whatever her endgoal actually is.
Once he realizes that she will gladly sacrifice his own Soul to stay alive he will finally have enough and let all of his inner regrets that he repressed for her sake come to the surface!
He'd surrender his soul willingly, it's Nathanos.
They did change his appearance entirely Legion, to instead look like a human male instead of an undead male, that is also obviously when he assumed a far larger role than he had previously. If there was a time they were going "self-insert" it would have been then, not when the character was created.
Nathanos wasn't fighting a demigod and an avatar of a god to a draw in Classic.10/09/2018 02:11 PMPosted by KallistusI think it’s funny that people forgot who this guy was. Back in Vanilla alliance would try to to kill him and he was so popular horde would form raids to defend him.
He is not a new character. Horde had to have some characters become more powerful because we killed off a bunch. They picked what at one time was a fan fav and gave him a new model and power boost.
If it was Nathanos it would of been some other b or c list character. There aren’t many with roots as long as Nathanos though.
Edit: also, he is pretty much the same exact guy he has always been. If I were to offer a criticism it would be lack of character development.
10/09/2018 03:50 PMPosted by KyveliNathanos wasn't fighting a demigod and an avatar of a god to a draw in Classic.10/09/2018 02:11 PMPosted by KallistusI think it’s funny that people forgot who this guy was. Back in Vanilla alliance would try to to kill him and he was so popular horde would form raids to defend him.
He is not a new character. Horde had to have some characters become more powerful because we killed off a bunch. They picked what at one time was a fan fav and gave him a new model and power boost.
If it was Nathanos it would of been some other b or c list character. There aren’t many with roots as long as Nathanos though.
Edit: also, he is pretty much the same exact guy he has always been. If I were to offer a criticism it would be lack of character development.
No but he had to get a level up to become plot relevant. If he didnt get some other horde b lister would of. Then we would be having the debate on whether Bob the troll was a self insert.
At least they went with a character that had been around forever.
What level up? He could hold his own against Genn in Legion, and suddenly the scenario puts him above every Horde character, Sylvanas included. Her inner monologue was that she could possibly handle Malfurion or Tyrande, but that if both showed up she would outright die.10/09/2018 03:59 PMPosted by Kallistus10/09/2018 03:50 PMPosted by Kyveli...Nathanos wasn't fighting a demigod and an avatar of a god to a draw in Classic.
No but he had to get a level up to become plot relevant. If he didnt get some other horde b lister would of. Then we would be having the debate on whether Bob the troll was a self insert.
At least they went with a character that had been around forever.
That's because it was from November of last year. The new Nathanos model came with Legion, not BfA.10/09/2018 01:56 PMPosted by Trengi went to july 18 and didn't find the dark mirror post.
No one is forgetting who he was.10/09/2018 02:11 PMPosted by KallistusI think it’s funny that people forgot who this guy was. Back in Vanilla alliance would try to to kill him and he was so popular horde would form raids to defend him.
The Horde didn't defend the Marris Stead because they liked Nathanos. They did it because it was fun to wipe Alliance groups trying to get the quest done. It was a WPvP hot-spot in a lvl 60 zone that favored Horde because of its proximity to Undercity and the presence of a strong NPC assist.
That's sort of irrelevant though, because even if he'd been the most popular NPC in the game, that wouldn't change the fact that he was sidelined for 12 straight years thereafter. He wasn't involved in the Forsaken campaign against the Scourge in the Ghostlands. He wasn't present for the retaking of the Undercity from Varimathras. He didn't follow Sylvanas to Northrend. He didn't participate in the invasion of Gilneas or the defense of Silverpine or the acquisition of Andorhal. He wasn't mentioned in Edge of Night.
Blightcaller was a Vanilla-era relic and a virtual blank slate. Steve dusted him off and re-imagined the character's role in the story entirely, making him the right-hand of Sylvanas, her consort, and the chief executor of her will. If anyone in charge of the narrative before Legion had intended for Nathanos to be any of those things, they had ample opportunity to use him that way. They didn't. The new Blightcaller shifted the Forsaken story considerably. Dark Mirror is irreconcilable with Edge of Night. It's silly to insist that nothing's changed and we just have faulty memories.
Well, no.
The big part of his appeal as a quest giver in vanilla was that he was a huge jerk to the player.
The only thing that has changed is that he slightly respects you now, even if he'd rather you drink a bottle of poison than annoy him.
The big part of his appeal as a quest giver in vanilla was that he was a huge jerk to the player.
The only thing that has changed is that he slightly respects you now, even if he'd rather you drink a bottle of poison than annoy him.
10/09/2018 11:36 AMPosted by KazalaIt's one of the most blatant cases of self-insertion I've ever seen, and it's not like the guy is being accused of a terrible crime.
How many Richard Garriots do you think he rates? 1 - 5 scale.
Metzen is a solid three, I think.
10/09/2018 02:52 PMPosted by ArlifrexI think it’s a case of Blizzard overexposing a character thinking the fandom loves it as much as they do.
The issue is we shouldn't be followinga single character throughout the entire expansion
Apparently getting a fresh human body is equivocal to being the prime pupil of Cenarius and uncovering the secrets of the Emerald Dream for 10,000 years combined with being the avatar of a wrathful goddess from a ritual that hasn't been used for millenia because it kills anyone who tries.10/09/2018 04:13 PMPosted by KyveliWhat level up? He could hold his own against Genn in Legion, and suddenly the scenario puts him above every Horde character, Sylvanas included. Her inner monologue was that she could possibly handle Malfurion or Tyrande, but that if both showed up she would outright die.
No wonder Arthas could take on just about anyone before. Being a non-decomposed undead human apparently makes you a walking god.