Some FOMO is Healthy, Some FOMO is Bad, and the Disinction

[Haugsp-sargeras]

@Wigglytüff-stormrage

I have * absolutely * no idea why you’d bring this up as a “good” example when there have been oceans of tears shed over the fact that Mage Tower appearances are no longer available

To expose the reality that those oceans of tears are brought by bad logic.

Attacking the logic of a ubiquitous argument is efficient.

[Almatafh-azralon]

@Synthx-moon-guard

Your opinion isn’t proof.

The complaints are. The number of unhappy people, the fact that we no longer see anyone walking around with old sets (either because they stopped playing or simply switched sets – or the players who got them basically don’t use that character anymore (this includes a friend of mine)) – there are so many ways to look at this.

[Akston-area-52]

@Applespice-stormreaver

Yeah, I actually think assuming FOTM rerollers constitute such a large percent of the population that his would actually reduce participation is wrong.

You have to go through mental gymnastics to prove make your case. All I have to say is “people like to do content for rewards.”

FOTM rerollers exist largely because rewards are seasonal.

[Applespice-stormreaver]

@Haugsp-sargeras

I’m confident in asserting that an inability to farm prior season PvP transmog is not the fundamental reason people aren’t engaging with the PvP scene. The fundamental reasons people have a hard time starting or engaging in wow pvp is because:

I’m not saying it’s a fundamental reason. It’s not at the top of my list for “PvP fixes.” I just think the harm done is minimal, despite being in the impacted group, & think even a slight boost to participation is worth it.

[Maximorben-area-52]

@Applespice-stormreaver

You don’t see how allowing people to go farm formerly exclusive transmogs might motivate more people to actually queue arenas?

I can see how people who don’t pvp would complain endlessly that they need to pvp in order to get mogs they want.

[Wigglytüff-stormrage]

The “logic” is the same. They see something they want, they complain that they missed their chance to get it. In their case, it’s weapon transmogs. In your case, it’s…inflated character stats that will disappear in 3 months?

[Haugsp-sargeras]

@Applespice-stormreaver

I’m not saying it’s a fundamental reason. It’s not at the top of my list for “PvP fixes.” I just think the harm done is minimal, despite being in the impacted group, & think even a slight boost to participation is worth it

We’ll agree to disagree. If the game can’t replicate the difficulty I incurred for my glad mounts, which it can’t, I don’t believe other people are entitled to them. Same logic applies to elite PvP sets.

I don’t have every PvP elite set, and that’s perfectly fine. But I have the current season (as disappointingly ugly as it is), and I’ll probably have all the ones I participate in TWW as well, and that’s perfectly fine with me

[Mustachio-eredar]

I just don’t know how you mess up content offering when FF14 is over there doing it a million times better.

• Repeatable events that typically offer the same stuff in case you missed it before.
• New events that actually kinda cool and engaging (Minus Fall Out Guys showing all the weaknesses in the core gameplay).
• So many of the old grinds are there and the majority of them are based on a minor daily investment.
• A ridiculous amount of the content is still available and re-playable at previous power levels (Missing newer abilities at older levels. It’s lazy but it works).
• I believe the PvP gear is all still accessible.

I’m not against FOMO by any means but why does Blizzard punish us so hard with item accessibility? Why is stuff like the Headless Horseman mount completely based on RNG? Why are old grinds so mind numbingly painful? Why is the Trading Post a new flavor with limited purchasing options?

It just feels abusive when you look at it all versus another popular MMO.

[Synthx-moon-guard]

Am I a joke to you?

All kidding aside, the fact that an athlete gets bored of displaying a 1998 medal in his living room and boxes it does not mean you can get it now.

[Synthx-moon-guard]

@Applespice-stormreaver

“people like to do content for rewards.”

Wait, when has this become a bad thing?

[Almatafh-azralon]

@Akston-area-52

You dont see how allowing people to get the transmog at any time will reduce the amount of people working on current stuff. And how once people stop doing something, they are less likely to return and continue it at a later date?

“Why PVP now, I can pvp and get this later when my preferred spec is OP”

But that’s the point. You basically get it.

“I’m unable to play now, so I’ll miss the window of time to get an item in WoW.”

“I just started the game, and I can’t get these items I see in the transmog window…”

One of the worst things is to restrict players to get something from the past, because the actual game’s content isn’t good enough.

[Haugsp-sargeras]

@Wigglytüff-stormrage

The “logic” is the same. They see something they want, they complain that they missed their chance to get it. In their case, it’s weapon transmogs

Hence, the “test”.

1. did they have sufficient time? Yes
2. was there reasonable communication? Yes
3. was it reasonably accessible? Yes

If something passes these three questions, I’d argue it leans on the side of healthy fomo. Mage tower passes three questions.

@Wigglytüff-stormrage

In your case, it’s…inflated character stats that will disappear in 3 months?

I have not made this argument.

[Akston-area-52]

@Almatafh-azralon

But that’s the point. You basically get it.

“I’m unable to play now, so I’ll miss the window of time to get an item in WoW.”

“I just started the game, and I can’t get these items I see in the transmog window…”

One of the worst things is to restrict players to get something from the past, because the actual game’s content isn’t good enough.

“I am going to choose not to play now”

People that choose to stop doing content, are not going to return at a 100% rate in the future.

This means…less people doing the content.

[Haugsp-sargeras]

@Almatafh-azralon

One of the worst things is to restrict players to get something from the past, because the actual game’s content isn’t good enough

Well, the fundamental problem there is not that time-sensitive rewards as advertised are no longer available.

The fundamental problem within the confines of this statement is the quality of the current game.

If current game’s good, people want to focus on current game

[Synthx-moon-guard]

@Almatafh-azralon

and I can’t get these items I see in the transmog window…

I think Pandaria CM Sets do not show up in the items window unless you own them. I could be wrong.

[Haugsp-sargeras]

I know you can’t see elite pvp transmogs if you don’t have them. I’d assume CM’s are similar

[Jelincic-kelthuzad]

@Akston-area-52

You dont see how allowing people to get the transmog at any time will reduce the amount of people working on current stuff. And how once people stop doing something, they are less likely to return and continue it at a later date?

My boy spitting facts again.

Why collect stuff today if I can resub in 5 years and not only save money but collect everything in 1 expansion!
Blizzard wouldn’t allow something like that since its bad bussines.

[Almatafh-azralon]

@Synthx-moon-guard

All kidding aside, the fact that an athlete gets bored of displaying a 1998 medal in his living room and boxes it does not mean you can get it now.

Actually, yes a new athlete can compete in the same category.

Belts, trophies, medals… are usually “similar” to each other, with updated appearances (like the World Cup trophy, for example), but a person can always train and participate in the competition.

Maybe they won’t get the EXACT TROPHY from that year, but they’ll get something very close… and to make matters worse:

In our world, we can make replicas of everything. Trophies, cups, paintings… How many Monalisas do you see around? Which one is the original? So…

(they sell any world cup trophy replica in brazil to be honest)

In WoW, we can’t have replicas, only recolors, which hasn’t been enough for people.

[Synthx-moon-guard]

@Haugsp-sargeras

I know you can’t see elite pvp transmogs if you don’t have them. I’d assume CM’s are similar

So he was lying! We must report this to the Pants on Fire squad!

[Almatafh-azralon]

@Synthx-moon-guard

I think Pandaria CM Sets do not show up in the items window unless you own them. I could be wrong.

you can see them In wowhead…and there is an addon, han…“advanced transmog window” i guess…