Small adjustments to instantly make classic better overall.
1. For the love of God speed up the escort quest npcs. Anyone else remembering that utterly miserable escort tauren out of Razorfen Kraul (or Downs, can’t remember the exact one off the top of my head)?
2. Speed up the taxi mounts. A 15 minute flight from Darkshore all the way down to Silithus (or Tirisfal to Badlands) was cool for the birds-eye view the first time. Everytime after was just really annoying.
3. Have an LFD, BUT, restrict it to the server. This will make getting dungeon groups together much less of a headache for players in small, inactive, or no guild at all, but having it restricted to the server means your personal reputation will still be on the line. Come on. What’s the harm in having a server-restricted LFD? Along this same line, make summon stones usable by just one person.
4. Do something with the PvP grind so that you don’t have to farm bgs for literally 12 hours a day to get higher than rank 8.
Every recommendation you've made is bad. You should feel bad.
10/28/2018 12:11 PMPosted by EvologixEvery recommendation you've made is bad. You should feel bad.
That’s too bad because I don’t feel bad and never will.
Hey kid you want easy mode quests go do world quests on your 120 there.
Classic isn't meant to be easy. Don't like it? Don't play.
Meh. Ive seen worse "fix" lists
This is not the game you're looking for.
You can go about your business.
Move along.
You can go about your business.
Move along.
10/28/2018 12:08 PMPosted by CynthyxSmall adjustments to instantly make classic better overall.
1. For the love of God speed up the escort quest npcs. Anyone else remembering that utterly miserable escort tauren out of Razorfen Kraul (or Downs, can’t remember the exact one off the top of my head)?
2. Speed up the taxi mounts. A 15 minute flight from Darkshore all the way down to Silithus (or Tirisfal to Badlands) was cool for the birds-eye view the first time. Everytime after was just really annoying.
3. Have an LFD, BUT, restrict it to the server. This will make getting dungeon groups together much less of a headache for players in small, inactive, or no guild at all, but having it restricted to the server means your personal reputation will still be on the line. Come on. What’s the harm in having a server-restricted LFD? Along this same line, make summon stones usable by just one person.
4. Do something with the PvP grind so that you don’t have to farm bgs for literally 12 hours a day to get higher than rank 8.
2010 Account. Very valuable insights.
10/28/2018 12:21 PMPosted by Thermiss10/28/2018 12:08 PMPosted by CynthyxSmall adjustments to instantly make classic better overall.
1. For the love of God speed up the escort quest npcs. Anyone else remembering that utterly miserable escort tauren out of Razorfen Kraul (or Downs, can’t remember the exact one off the top of my head)?
2. Speed up the taxi mounts. A 15 minute flight from Darkshore all the way down to Silithus (or Tirisfal to Badlands) was cool for the birds-eye view the first time. Everytime after was just really annoying.
3. Have an LFD, BUT, restrict it to the server. This will make getting dungeon groups together much less of a headache for players in small, inactive, or no guild at all, but having it restricted to the server means your personal reputation will still be on the line. Come on. What’s the harm in having a server-restricted LFD? Along this same line, make summon stones usable by just one person.
4. Do something with the PvP grind so that you don’t have to farm bgs for literally 12 hours a day to get higher than rank 8.
2010 Account. Very valuable insights.
Guess what. This isn’t my original account. I started WoW on my brother’s old account in May of 2005 as a Forsaken Warrior on Darkspear, and I stayed on that account until mid-Wrath when I quit for a while then came back on a new account I could afford with my own money and bank account. Brothe wasn’t using his account, so he let me play around on it when he was at home with me. But nice try attempting to discredit me on a superficial factor like account creation date. Because no one has ever throughout history been on one account at one time then on another account at another time.
Did you know everything you're asking for already exists? It's called
CURRENT WOW
Go play BFA, you obviously do not want to experience Vanilla WoW.
CURRENT WOW
Go play BFA, you obviously do not want to experience Vanilla WoW.
10/28/2018 12:26 PMPosted by Cynthyx10/28/2018 12:21 PMPosted by Thermiss...
2010 Account. Very valuable insights.
Guess what. This isn’t my original account. I started WoW on my brother’s old account in May of 2005 as a Forsaken Warrior on Darkspear, and I stayed on that account until mid-Wrath when I quit for a while then came back on a new account I could afford with my own money and bank account. Brothe wasn’t using his account, so he let me play around on it when he was at home with me. But nice try attempting to discredit me on a superficial factor like account creation date.
You should be banned for admitting account sharing, and further blocked from the forums for poor suggestions.
10/28/2018 12:26 PMPosted by Cynthyx10/28/2018 12:21 PMPosted by Thermiss...
2010 Account. Very valuable insights.
Guess what. This isn’t my original account. I started WoW on my brother’s old account in May of 2005 as a Forsaken Warrior on Darkspear, and I stayed on that account until mid-Wrath when I quit for a while then came back on a new account I could afford with my own money and bank account. Brothe wasn’t using his account, so he let me play around on it when he was at home with me. But nice try attempting to discredit me on a superficial factor like account creation date.
I can claim to have made it to R14 and been part of the server first KT kill on my "other account" which I shared with my 10 year old son and let my son take over (so he could keep his characters) when he reached 18. The fact that I can make that claim doesn't necessarily make it true, however.
IMO, what your list shows is that you either do not have an appreciation for Classic really is or that you simply want Classic +, not Classic.
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Guess what. This isn’t my original account. I started WoW on my brother’s old account in May of 2005 as a Forsaken Warrior on Darkspear, and I stayed on that account until mid-Wrath when I quit for a while then came back on a new account I could afford with my own money and bank account. Brothe wasn’t using his account, so he let me play around on it when he was at home with me. But nice try attempting to discredit me on a superficial factor like account creation date.
I can claim to have made it to R14 and been part of the server first KT kill on my "other account" which I shared with my 10 year old son and let my son take over (so he could keep his characters) when he reached 18. The fact that I can make that claim doesn't necessarily make it true, however.
IMO, what your list shows is that you either do not have an appreciation for Classic really is or that you simply want Classic +, not Classic.
So basically what you’re saying is that because I wasn’t hardcore nerdy about it I simply must have been playing the game wrong, or simply couldn’t understand the sheer unadulterated genius that Classic was according to these forums?
The genius of Classic WoW was its revolutionary casual-friendly style (pre-raiding and low rank PvP grind) and the timing of its release. How is an escort quest npc moving faster than 2 meters a second or faster taxi mounts somehow an unreasonable adjustment? Why is a server-restricted LFD an unreasonable adjustment? You’d still have to be sociable with others and behave yourself lest you get a bad rep on the server. Why is summon stones being usable by one person an unreasonable adjustment? I could concede a “lazy” factor but is 1 extra party member asking for a summon really such a game-breaking deal? How are any of these a game-breaking adjustment? I’m not even asking for flying or LFR or cross-server or dungeons to be mindless aoe spam fests that take less than 20 minutes.
The stated goal of this project is to provide legitimate servers. Blizzard themselves have stated that "Vanilla means Vanilla" and went as far as to title their last post about the project "No Changes." They have stated also that they do not care if it gets 100 or 1000 people it is meant to be classic warts and all but with that out of the way.
What you have to understand is that the philosophy behind vanilla was to promote community and what you percieve to be as flaws are apart of that experience. The game funnels players together in such a way that they are forced to communicate and interact with each other. The servers were capped in such a way as to facilitate a 'villiage' atmosphere. LFG, LFD, etc, these water down and essentially remove these core elements by facilitating a process where you no longer need to socialize to achieve your goals but simply press a button. The lead developer Kevin Jordan was fundamentally against Dungeon Finder because of how it affects the community.
Your suggestions fundamentally conflict with the core values of the game and serve no greater purpose. Classic is a journey, an experience, one that you must undertake yourself it is meant to be a living, breathing, world. Your changes detract from that and casualize the important elements that facilitate the building of a community. My friends list was full back in vanilla and the dungeons were typically so long that I always talked to those I grouped with not that you could avoid talking anyway, this is how finding others for dungeons became easier. You needed to form bonds and make friends. This an MMORPG. Not a singleplayer game.
What you have to understand is that the philosophy behind vanilla was to promote community and what you percieve to be as flaws are apart of that experience. The game funnels players together in such a way that they are forced to communicate and interact with each other. The servers were capped in such a way as to facilitate a 'villiage' atmosphere. LFG, LFD, etc, these water down and essentially remove these core elements by facilitating a process where you no longer need to socialize to achieve your goals but simply press a button. The lead developer Kevin Jordan was fundamentally against Dungeon Finder because of how it affects the community.
Your suggestions fundamentally conflict with the core values of the game and serve no greater purpose. Classic is a journey, an experience, one that you must undertake yourself it is meant to be a living, breathing, world. Your changes detract from that and casualize the important elements that facilitate the building of a community. My friends list was full back in vanilla and the dungeons were typically so long that I always talked to those I grouped with not that you could avoid talking anyway, this is how finding others for dungeons became easier. You needed to form bonds and make friends. This an MMORPG. Not a singleplayer game.
LFD for example takes you out of the world. Part of what makes classic so good is that world.10/28/2018 01:39 PMPosted by Cynthyx...
I can claim to have made it to R14 and been part of the server first KT kill on my "other account" which I shared with my 10 year old son and let my son take over (so he could keep his characters) when he reached 18. The fact that I can make that claim doesn't necessarily make it true, however.
IMO, what your list shows is that you either do not have an appreciation for Classic really is or that you simply want Classic +, not Classic.
So basically what you’re saying is that because I wasn’t hardcore nerdy about it I simply must have been playing the game wrong, or simply couldn’t understand the sheer unadulterated genius that Classic was according to these forums?
The genius of Classic WoW was its revolutionary casual-friendly style (pre-raiding and low rank PvP grind) and the timing of its release. How is an escort quest npc moving faster than 2 meters a second or faster taxi mounts somehow an unreasonable adjustment? Why is a server-restricted LFD an unreasonable adjustment? You’d still have to be sociable with others and behave yourself lest you get a bad rep on the server. Why is summon stones being usable by one person an unreasonable adjustment? I could concede a “lazy” factor but is 1 extra party member asking for a summon really such a game-breaking deal? How are any of these a game-breaking adjustment? I’m not even asking for flying or LFR or cross-server or dungeons to be mindless aoe spam fests that take less than 20 minutes.
10/28/2018 12:08 PMPosted by CynthyxSmall adjustments to instantly make classic better overall.
1. For the love of God speed up the escort quest npcs. Anyone else remembering that utterly miserable escort tauren out of Razorfen Kraul (or Downs, can’t remember the exact one off the top of my head)?
2. Speed up the taxi mounts. A 15 minute flight from Darkshore all the way down to Silithus (or Tirisfal to Badlands) was cool for the birds-eye view the first time. Everytime after was just really annoying.
3. Have an LFD, BUT, restrict it to the server. This will make getting dungeon groups together much less of a headache for players in small, inactive, or no guild at all, but having it restricted to the server means your personal reputation will still be on the line. Come on. What’s the harm in having a server-restricted LFD? Along this same line, make summon stones usable by just one person.
4. Do something with the PvP grind so that you don’t have to farm bgs for literally 12 hours a day to get higher than rank 8.
Part of what has ruined live WoW is exactly this mentality of everything having to be faster and easier. That is not what old WoW was about. The game is now literally a shell of what it once was. We are finally getting the old version back and you want to start ruining it already? No thank you.
10/28/2018 01:39 PMPosted by Cynthyx...
I can claim to have made it to R14 and been part of the server first KT kill on my "other account" which I shared with my 10 year old son and let my son take over (so he could keep his characters) when he reached 18. The fact that I can make that claim doesn't necessarily make it true, however.
IMO, what your list shows is that you either do not have an appreciation for Classic really is or that you simply want Classic +, not Classic.
So basically what you’re saying is that because I wasn’t hardcore nerdy about it I simply must have been playing the game wrong, or simply couldn’t understand the sheer unadulterated genius that Classic was according to these forums?
The genius of Classic WoW was its revolutionary casual-friendly style (pre-raiding and low rank PvP grind) and the timing of its release. How is an escort quest npc moving faster than 2 meters a second or faster taxi mounts somehow an unreasonable adjustment? Why is a server-restricted LFD an unreasonable adjustment? You’d still have to be sociable with others and behave yourself lest you get a bad rep on the server. Why is summon stones being usable by one person an unreasonable adjustment? I could concede a “lazy” factor but is 1 extra party member asking for a summon really such a game-breaking deal? How are any of these a game-breaking adjustment? I’m not even asking for flying or LFR or cross-server or dungeons to be mindless aoe spam fests that take less than 20 minutes.
The fact that you even ask those questions tells me that you do not have an appreciation for Classic for what it IS.
You want Classic+.
Fortunately for you, though, all those "time saving and EZ mode changes" you want can already be found in a Blizzard run MMO. It may not be Classic+, but it does pander to the instant gratification mindset.
10/28/2018 01:39 PMPosted by CynthyxSo basically what you’re saying is that because I wasn’t hardcore nerdy about it
Yeah I can already tell you are lying. Do everyone a favor stop watching and believing everything youtube v bloggers say including vaulty.
...LFD for example takes you out of the world. Part of what makes classic so good is that world.
So basically what you’re saying is that because I wasn’t hardcore nerdy about it I simply must have been playing the game wrong, or simply couldn’t understand the sheer unadulterated genius that Classic was according to these forums?
The genius of Classic WoW was its revolutionary casual-friendly style (pre-raiding and low rank PvP grind) and the timing of its release. How is an escort quest npc moving faster than 2 meters a second or faster taxi mounts somehow an unreasonable adjustment? Why is a server-restricted LFD an unreasonable adjustment? You’d still have to be sociable with others and behave yourself lest you get a bad rep on the server. Why is summon stones being usable by one person an unreasonable adjustment? I could concede a “lazy” factor but is 1 extra party member asking for a summon really such a game-breaking deal? How are any of these a game-breaking adjustment? I’m not even asking for flying or LFR or cross-server or dungeons to be mindless aoe spam fests that take less than 20 minutes.
What if it was set up so that you had to have completed the dungeon at least once before you could find party members via LFD? Twice? Also understand I didn’t say that LFD would let you insta port to the dungeon. The sole purpose would be to make it easier to find party members to do it with.
1) It's fine as it is, socialize with your group during the casual stroll.
2) No thanks, getting places takes time.
3) #&!! to the @*& &@%# NO!!!!!
4) Nah.
2) No thanks, getting places takes time.
3) #&!! to the @*& &@%# NO!!!!!
4) Nah.
An attempt at a measured response…
I think normalizing escort NPCs to walk at either player walk speed or player run speed would be fine, but nothing faster.
I can see the appeal but would hesitate on this one. It might sound silly but those long flight times went a long way in making Silithus feel like a remote, forgotten land on the edge of the world, and that’s one of the things most Classic fans like about pre-cata Azeroth.
Hard disagreement here. Server isolation and the reputation component of it is great, but that only addresses one of LFD’s major flaws. LFD also devalues both parties and individual members because it makes it so easy to find replacement members/groups. Parties should have to carefully consider booting people (“Do we already have a replacement lined up?”) and members should have to carefully consider leaving (“Can I really get another group rolling at this time of night?”). The increased difficulty of finding groups and replacements keeps dungeon runs together by encouraging better behavior and stopping either from jumping ship over stupid little !@#$, as can happen in BfA.
I might be receptive to a much more bare bones version of LFG as it existed in (IIRC) TBC where groups and players can advertise themselves and build groups on their own, but automatic invite accept, teleports, and even a premade list of dungeons are a strict “no”. Classic must not have any trace of, “push button, receive dungeon” because the concept devalues the whole system to a massive extent.
I don’t have much of an opinion on the PvP rank stuff, but I reached Knight on this char and Knight Lieutenant on another so I don’t think it was too bad unless you were really deadset on Grand Marshal.
10/28/2018 12:08 PMPosted by Cynthyx1. For the love of God speed up the escort quest npcs. Anyone else remembering that utterly miserable escort tauren out of Razorfen Kraul (or Downs, can’t remember the exact one off the top of my head)?
I think normalizing escort NPCs to walk at either player walk speed or player run speed would be fine, but nothing faster.
10/28/2018 12:08 PMPosted by Cynthyx2. Speed up the taxi mounts. A 15 minute flight from Darkshore all the way down to Silithus (or Tirisfal to Badlands) was cool for the birds-eye view the first time. Everytime after was just really annoying.
I can see the appeal but would hesitate on this one. It might sound silly but those long flight times went a long way in making Silithus feel like a remote, forgotten land on the edge of the world, and that’s one of the things most Classic fans like about pre-cata Azeroth.
10/28/2018 12:08 PMPosted by Cynthyx3. Have an LFD, BUT, restrict it to the server. This will make getting dungeon groups together much less of a headache for players in small, inactive, or no guild at all, but having it restricted to the server means your personal reputation will still be on the line. Come on. What’s the harm in having a server-restricted LFD? Along this same line, make summon stones usable by just one person.
Hard disagreement here. Server isolation and the reputation component of it is great, but that only addresses one of LFD’s major flaws. LFD also devalues both parties and individual members because it makes it so easy to find replacement members/groups. Parties should have to carefully consider booting people (“Do we already have a replacement lined up?”) and members should have to carefully consider leaving (“Can I really get another group rolling at this time of night?”). The increased difficulty of finding groups and replacements keeps dungeon runs together by encouraging better behavior and stopping either from jumping ship over stupid little !@#$, as can happen in BfA.
I might be receptive to a much more bare bones version of LFG as it existed in (IIRC) TBC where groups and players can advertise themselves and build groups on their own, but automatic invite accept, teleports, and even a premade list of dungeons are a strict “no”. Classic must not have any trace of, “push button, receive dungeon” because the concept devalues the whole system to a massive extent.
I don’t have much of an opinion on the PvP rank stuff, but I reached Knight on this char and Knight Lieutenant on another so I don’t think it was too bad unless you were really deadset on Grand Marshal.
Or, and hear me out, you could just open your mouth and interact with the people. Make a bit more effort than just mindlessly queueing up. Maybe throw a buff on a dude running by, maybe group up to kill a quest spawn, etc?10/28/2018 12:08 PMPosted by Cynthyx3. Have an LFD, BUT, restrict it to the server. This will make getting dungeon groups together much less of a headache for players in small, inactive, or no guild at all, but having it restricted to the server means your personal reputation will still be on the line. Come on. What’s the harm in having a server-restricted LFD? Along this same line, make summon stones usable by just one person.
We call this bathroom/food breaks.10/28/2018 12:08 PMPosted by Cynthyx2. Speed up the taxi mounts. A 15 minute flight from Darkshore all the way down to Silithus (or Tirisfal to Badlands) was cool for the birds-eye view the first time. Everytime after was just really annoying.
Naw. I have a lot of memories of ganking people doing the quest, or helping them, or even being frustrated myself. It felt good when you finished them. Don't make it as homogenized as the rest of the "EZ" retail experience.10/28/2018 12:08 PMPosted by Cynthyx1. For the love of God speed up the escort quest npcs. Anyone else remembering that utterly miserable escort tauren out of Razorfen Kraul (or Downs, can’t remember the exact one off the top of my head)?