Why can’t the “play with friends” crowd just do rated.
They’ve had a tailored solution for a decade now.
Oh, but then you wouldn’t be guaranteed EZ wins dunking on PuGs. Which is what it’s always been about.
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Twinking was cringe and I’m glad it’s gone.
And a little fun fact the op was part of a premade back in the day that used to push pugs back into the av cave and knock them out of the portal so yeah. Do not believe “I just wanna play with muh friends” she is malicious.
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Of course it is!
That’s not a bad thing. Ffs.
And at this point it’s less of a problem than ever. These BGs have been around for decades. We all know the strategy. The fact that we can’t coordinate is because your group sucks and it wouldn’t matter if they were premade or random.
Rated is garbage. It’s more fun than arena, but Arena is garbage. They made it to stop premades and dangled rating as a carrot and no one wants it. Just like no one wants to play XP off. The fun is doing the prep work or getting all the BiS gear and enchants to stomp the competition. It sucks to get stomped, so go make your own premade, IMO.
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Yes maam. Let premades be queue-able.
How about you as a grown man go take your basketball to a kids court and tell me how fulfilled you feel after.
That is not real PvP or competition.
Blizzard just went by the “how about you fight someone your own size for once” motto and just like that twinking died overnight.
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Why? Getting all the BiS items and enchants is cringe?
That’s the entire point of progression raiding.
Twinking was expensive unless it’s an alt or had wealthy clan mates because of the expensive BoEs that made up the BiS of some brackets. But it wasn’t that hard for a hunter in the 20 or 30 bracket. Get someone to help you get the nessingwary quests done. Get some stuff from WC. A crafted item or two.
There’s nothing wrong with twinking and it’s not even gone. Every once in a while I’ll still dig my heirloom crusader two handers out of the bank and make a new fury warrior to go wreak havok on low level BGs.
No one is arguing that.
We’re arguing that it should be done with fair fights.
You’re the one arguing “nu uh I should have a massive advantage over you always!”
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It’s the point of progression endgame raiding where everyone is pointed in that direction and nearly everyone has your experience level.
Twinking is in no way pointed to for low level PvP which is usually where people with little or 0 experience go to try it out for the first time.
So you as a however many year veteran of the game in full gear that you farmed in a bracket most people are just leveling through cause that’s what the game pushes them to do could not be any more out of place.
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This will never happen. There is too much history people can’t get over.
Too much vicious hate, and I mean that : HATE.
These people hate each other. It’s all a facade. Even if there are ‘alliances’ between communities that hadn’t liked each other.
It’s simply surface level.
It existed as long as BGs existed and was never out of place. They even allowed for it specifically when they implemented BG XP rewards, by creating the option to turn XP off and join the XP off brackets. The only problem with all of that is the separate bracket.
That’s called a straw man.
I didn’t say “I” should have an advantage over anyone “always”.
I argued two things-
A. Measures to discourage twinks and premades from being a part of the regular random BG rotation have failed. There are still premades and there are always people trying to gain an unfair advantage for funsies. That’s not bad IMO as long as both factions are able to benefit from that option.
B. Getting rid of those people (where it did succeed) has not made the experience better. It has made queues longer. The people who would agree with you, who want to find themselves matched up against an equally organized opposing premade, are no longer in the same queue as everyone else. That’s not a positive. MMOs need people and need to put those people together as much as possible.
Because “those people” made the brackets unplayable and people didn’t come back… Also please go learn what a “straw man” is before you use it.
I know what a straw man is.
It’s setting up an easy opponent for you to then knock down. It’s pretty self explanatory.
I didn’t make that argument. You made that argument as if I made that argument.
Also, those people never made anything unplayable. WoW has been hemorrhaging players since taking measures to get rid of twinks and premades. Not prior to. And Classic was an instant success despite everyone knowing there would be twinks and premades.
Logical fallacy
A straw man fallacy is when someone argues against a different point than the one being discussed, without acknowledging the distinction. The goal of a straw man fallacy is to distract from the original topic
They have contributed to it. Nothing is literally unplayable, but if exploiting is rampant or “twinking”, normal players don’t play. Hence the bracket “dying” like low level bg’s. People don’t come back unless they are diehard fans.
Completely incorrect.
it was an “instant success” because people hopped on the nostalgia train then got upset when classic wasn’t how they imagined it in their heads. Now it just servers to split the community up even more.
They should have kept how strong the NPC’s were at the beginning of the expansion.
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it’s not damaging. WOD was the glory days of premades and there were many communities/guilds running them and much fun was had. It’s what inspired War Games, but Blizz didn’t go far enough with it. They just mess it up by not allowing REWARDS for specific queue and they stopped allowing us to 40 man group when they removed the instance numbers from bgs in Vanilla. That was their FIRST mistake in PVP imo.
Exploiting is always rampant. And twinking never stopped “normal” people from playing. Heirlooms if anything made normal people into twinks.
Leveling through BGs is one of the most popular ways to level and has been since BG XP was implemented. Low level BGs are not dead. They are alive and well.
Are you claiming that wow currently enjoys the numbers it did during Wrath of the Lich King?
It also provides a very different experience and continues to be such a success that Blizzard dedicated quite a bit of resources to it. But the one true thing you’ve said this whole time is that it serves to split the community which is bad. That’s why you don’t want more segregation of people who want to do the same crap. No more modes of BGs.
Have you ever coached anything? Have you ever added dodgeball to the end of practice? There are few things more satisfying as a dad/parent than beaning child after child with a rubber ball so hard that it looks like a Quentin Tarantino gun shot stunt.
That said, twinking is like cruising around with a riced out car, you whip around and smoke normal cars but you’re showing off your rig and also hoping someone else who twinks is going to show up so you can have a drag race. If it was ALL Honda’s with aftermarket parts and ground effects and stuff, it wouldn’t be fun. You’d feel… Normal. It’s the same reason that making gear not matter in PvP would be a mistake. At the same time if you never run into another twink that’s also not fun. Because no one can really appreciate your sick build.
My solution is that i just stopped playing battlegrounds.
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Does that make it ok? and normally it’s in pve, when it’s in pvp it is effecting others and driving them away it needs to be fixed.
Back before twinking was a big thing low level bg’s where very active, now they are a wasteland, sure twinks aren’t fully reasonable but they sure didn’t help.
Completely untrue. Compared to what they used to be they are dead.
Clearly not but taking away twinking and premades didn’t stop people from playing twinking and rampant premade’s did.
I have been completely correct. I have been playing this game for a very long time. Yes people “like classic” but that’s taking away time and resources and player from the actual game. Honestly IDK why player wanted blizzard to take over classic servers when private ones already existed and where free. In my opinion it was stupid to ask blizzard to do it.
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