Everything that doesn’t match the advantages that premades have.
Everything that makes a premade better, which is a very baseline level of enjoyable gameplay in team, objective based PvP.
Communication. Cooperation. Composition.
So they are just premades without a guild?
Communication. Cooperation. Composition.
So go to rated.
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If it is designed to not punish people for occasionally missing a queue, it wouldn’t be too much of a problem.
Something like this:
I would be open to a different system…
1st dropped queue in an hour gives you ‘Scaredy Cat’ for 30 seconds, preventing you from queueing during that time, 2nd time in an hour you get 60 seconds.
And the timer doesn’t reset if you accept a queue.
So if you miss a 3rd inside of an hour, even if you just finished a game, ‘Scaredy Cat’ would still be 2 minutes.
With stacks resetting an hour after your last missed queue.
And it should be the same system on all queueable content other than follower dungeons and Delves and all the PvE stuff that can be done entirely solo.
It would be exceptionally frustrating to premade communities though. Having to wait till people are off their debuffs before being able to queue again.
but all that stuff dont exist in rated
blitz of solo shuffle are completly random and other rated game mods are dead
so maybe the randoms should go to rated?
WoW is a hub game. Everything in WoW pretty much operates on a standard system. I should be able to click a button and end up in an instance with all the tools I need to make that instance go smoothly with the people wow has provided for me to play with.
If WoW didn’t kill the community, Id say, sure. I’ll get a guild and do RBGs, and pick whatever class and spec they need for their specific comp instead of playing the class and spec I want to play…
But it’s not too much to ask the number 1 game in the genre to make random BGs feel good.
Why would the randoms go to rated?
because they get there what they
1 there are decent reward better than random bgs
2 there are no premades
so why not?
so why not?
Because EBGs are incredibly fun when you’re not facing premades. Plenty of people, like me, just go in there solo to relax and have fun.
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but they are fun for premades too
so why would the premades go to rated?
Because the premades have found ways to game the queue system to allow them to farm easy wins.
Premades are the odd ones out.
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premades play as group they organized communicating they play the game as it meant to be played and since there are no other pvp game mod that supports that basic organizations they end up on epic bgs with the randoms
they play the game as it meant to be played
Then they’d be allowed to queue as a raid. They’re not.
They end up on epic bgs with the randoms
You mean the randoms end up with the premades? The randoms are following the rules
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both ot them follow the rules blizzard ban and fix exploits pretty fast and they aware about the problem premades do nothing against the rules otherwise the problem of premades has already been solved by them and the solution is very simple if only they wanted to do something
If it was allowed or intended, they’d be able to queue as a raid.
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ok fine lets assume you are right and it against the rules and all that
why blizzard do bothing about that that problem that harms other players fair play and all that stuff for 20 years but they fix some minor pve exploits that harms only mobs in couple of months?
I don’t think it’s been this much of an issue for 20 years. I think the people guilty of premades say a lot of completely out-of-touch or defensive things to protect them. At any rate, Blizzard is taking steps to improve the solo experience – casual PvP is one of those things everyone says is dead, so maybe Blizzard will finally listen
it was even bigger issue in the past like in cata or mop the premades was bigger and all the bgs was in 1 que and there was no blitz or solo shuffle and all that solo content
and they did nothing so it was not against the rules then
and especially now when the bgs are separated for epics and small bgs and we have blitz solo shuffle and all that stuff
casual pvp is dead because pvp should not be casual it should be competitive you should overcome youself and then overcome the enemy to win
like casual pvp that doesnt even sound right
you want to be casual go kiss squirrels in the world pvp is not abount beign casual
like casual pvp that doesnt even sound right.
you want to be casual go kiss squirrels in the world pvp is not about being casual
Or you can go to rated, like I said. But then it would be a fair fight, and that’s not why premades exist. And it’s certainly not why people join them.
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well i joined a premade to fight against other premades and there are a lot people like me in our premade
and the first premades atleast on my realm they was just pvp oriented guilds that just found themselfs without pvp activities like you had wintergrasp with the raid afterwards and you had TB with the raid and then you had nothing and you find yourself with 30 people online in the guild that want to do something and you as a guild cant offer to them nothing
so where we go? right we go to the bgs
and thats how the first premades was created
now most of the modern premades are trash and was created by solo players just like you that want to have fun and relax killing noobs on the bg and got tired of premades so they create their own