Easy fix and blizzard already have all the assets needed. add a 4th spec to the hunter and give RSV back the wod or Cata addition both are popular, then change the MSV back to the old legion survival with a few changes and call it a Dark-Hunter or Sapper or Sabator.
This way Ranged SV is super happy again and MSV still gets our melee without the loss in the sauce spec we have now as SV.
Vote this yall and let’s get Blizzard’s attention!!
WoD SV was trash though… youre wanting cata sv, that was the best <3
I have a better fix to this dilemma:
People need to get over the fact that there is no more “Ranged Survival” and stop making this suggestion.
I bet more people are complaining at this point than ppl who play the class! At the least, the specs have gotta be fixed and/or a 4th spec for diversity and sadly, appeasement.
If that’s true, maybe blizzard should take a hint.
In b4 the ever so well thought out: “get used to it or player another game.”
As an MSV player primarily. This is a silly response.
Yep. Sounds good.
If such suggestions bother you, stop reading them…
Bringing back an old version of Survival as a 4th spec wouldn’t do anything other than placate the crowd who want their specific version of the spec back. It doesn’t solve any of Survival’s current problems, it just ignores them.
It would also open up a can of worms, inviting players from every class to demand their favorite version of their favorite spec from WoW’s history. It would set a precedent Blizzard can’t and shouldn’t live up to.
Giving us a ranged survival option within the current spec would be as simple as replacing Carve with Multi-Shot, Raptor Strike with Steady Shot (without focus regen), and Butchery with a talent effective at any range (anything that uses Serpent Sting or Wildfire Bomb as a large, burst-y cleave would do the trick).
Blizz could add a stance option to allow players to swap back and forth along that change on the fly. The “fix” - giving us an RSV option while maintain an MSV option - would be that easy, no fourth spec or return to an old version of Survival required.
But the spec would still have its issues, because the spec’s current issues aren’t caused by where the survival hunter stands in the fight. There are some relatively minor (or at least common) flaws in how the spec is designed.
The spec’s transition to melee is just a convenient excuse for the old survival crowd, an easy way to gaslight their way past any discussion about fixing current survival.
That’s likely why the spec isn’t getting the minor attention it needs or deserves: Because such fixes would be buried by people who hide their demands for an entirely different spec behind a thin veil of wanting this spec fixed.
Just writing this to throw some support for RSV! Let hunters be fun again!
The fun factor of the hunter class as a whole is not and should not be dependent on where one of its three specs are standing in a fight. I mean, if a player doesn’t like the fundamental core of any of three specs offered (there’s always room for improvement, of course), then maybe hunter isn’t the class for that player.
The “solution” to the dumping ground of random mechanics that is MSV is to delete that garbage and pretend it never existed. You know, like it should have been.
RSV was overwhelmingly more popular than MSV, and the statistics back that conclusively. MSV has never had more than single digit usage amongst hunters since RSV was straight deleted and MSV was added in its place.
The spec isn’t getting attention because 1) hardly anyone plays it (and for good reason), and 2) even the devs don’t know what to do with it. MSV was added as a kneejerk, and they’ve never had a clear vision about what the central theme and spec concept was supposed to be. They had to completely retcon a lore figure (Huln Highmountain) just to have a “hero” for SV to identify with and an artifact to use in Legion.
The spec is an abomination and needs to be removed like the cancer it is.
And don’t forget how they retconned Rexxar… THE BEASTMASTER… from being a BM hunter to a MSV hunter in Legion.
Yes, I’m still mad about it.
Rexxar’s been The Beastmaster ever since Warcraft 3!!
Rexxar is precisely the reason I think BM shoulda been the spec to go melee, if any of them had to (which I’m entirely unconvinced of). BM makes more sense anyway, getting into the thick of it with your pet at your side, rather than standing half a football field away yelling commands at the poor beast. SV and MM were as much different in WoD as Affliction and Destruction are different, and frankly, for the same reasons (one is/was a rot spec based around constant ticking damage and DoTing everything in sight, while the other is a slow high-damage burst spec).
Even WoWs own lore backs up the fact that a beast master uses melee weapons, usually dual wielding. So… why can’t they dual wield? Using a spear/pole arm is fine, but there are beast masters that dual wield as well… I don’t think blizzard even knows their own lore of classes and specs.
None of us have stated anything different.
We’re after the old RSV. Most of those that are asking for RSV, have less interest(if any) in current MSV.
People already do.
Besides, many aren’t asking for a specific iteration of RSV(some do…), but a version which plays like and has similarities to that of old RSV.
We’ve already passed this, years ago.
Most aren’t after current “MSV but ranged”.
When people say RSV, they don’t just mean MSV but with multi-shot, steady shot and some other ranged ability.
So yes, a 4th spec is required. Unless you opt for changing existing specs(which I am not).
Nope, wrong. “Fix” current SV all you want.
For those that want RSV back and have less interest in playing MSV, why should they argue about changes specific to current SV?
I am of the opinion that we should all ask for the same thing. Both, bring back ranged RSV and fix MSV. If the forums were unanimous in their requests, it’d be a lot harder to ignore. The roar of the crowd. One voice. One direction.
Fourth spec: Survival.
Fix MSV, rename it to Primal, or Predator, or Trapper, or Combat, or Enhancement for all I care.
Edit: I am not sold on Enhancement Hunter. People would abbreviate it to EH and you’ll have conversations like, “What spec does he play?” “EH.” “He’s not good?” “Well, he’s EH…”
Why would I put forth the effort to ask for MSV to be fixed when I don’t think it should even exist in the first place? I have literally negative interest in ever playing that abomination of a spec. I don’t care if it’s broken to the point of unplayability.
Y’all precious few who actually play that terrible spec can advocate for fixing it. I’ll stick with trying to get back what was stolen from us, the gameplay I actually care about.
You do what you feel is right. I feel like you’re just chasing your tail since the group advocating for the return of RSV is so small, Blizz wont even waste their time acknowledging the existence of the movement. I am saying that its going to take everyone’s voice as one to get change. Working against each other is the wrong approach, and will net no positive outcome. I want RSV back, too.
I mean, let’s be honest here, the group of people that actually play MSV is also extraordinarily tiny. I’m not sure you could make a legitimate claim about which of the two is smaller.
The difference is, MSV is a wildly unpopular spec that currently exists. RSV, while there isn’t a huge group of people asking for it back, would be much more popularly used if it were returned. The usage statistics from back in WoD and earlier clearly back that up.
Frankly, MSV is a lost cause for them. They either devote development work to fixing a spec that only a tiny fraction of the player base cares about or has any interest in playing, or they don’t and effectively abandon all the work they put in to reinvent it, or they actually admit they were wrong and restore RSV (which would be an intolerable hit to Ion’s precious pride, as well as pissing off that tiny fraction of players that care about MSV, though why they do completely escapes me).
Frankly, this is a sunk cost issue. They sunk the massive development effort to revamp it in Legion, and Ion even admitted at that time that they expected it was going to be a fairly niche spec. Then they sunk even more dev time to reinvent it a second time in BfA. Now they’re stuck trying to justify all of that dev time while still having a spec that has a massive pile of issues, a complete lack of any cohesive spec theme and gameplay fluidity, and a single digit representation amongst hunter players for the entire lifespan of its existence (specifically referring to MSV here, so since Legion).
We re stuck without out spec for another two years at least. Maybe by the end of SL, Ion will finally get his … and give us back the spec he deleted. It is so frustrating to have the spec I played deleted from the game. Whoever suggested it should have been fired on the spot. I’m sure it cost them millions of dollars.