So in a BG setting, who performs better than a ret with a pocket healer?
Shaman+shaman, War with pocker healer, hunter with pocket healer, boomkin with pocket healer. Also depends on what you define as success.
This here guy understands how dps throughput works. Weâve been doing it wrong since vanilla, itâs ranged and casters that perform with pocket heals apparently, despite having their dps cut when focused. Palas and wars are actually worse with a healer than ele shamans. What else will you throw in your mountain of BS.
Everything is worse than ele shams + healers. Melee have to over extend and are easy to focus. If you have 3-4 pocket healers than sure yeah you arent ever gonna die. But if you got 1 healer and you over extend as a melee you are toast. But what would a BUM that plays tauren shaman know.
Make a paladin and upload your own clips of you dominating ppl instead of my own. You keep saying its so easy everyone is doing it, ok bet then do it big dawg show us your power
Itâs the story of almost every class in SoD, some a little more n some a little less.
clicking crusader strike, seals and horsey horsey are serious business
so serious you could play the broken class by mouse clicks
then do it and post your own clips. I and many others would love to see them
Turns out SoD had the same problem that retail has, modern blizz devs donât understand how class balance works
The problem is that ranged damage is so substantially better that besides rets this is true. Hunters/boomies/eles/(insert ranged dpser) simply output drastically more damage than melees that are not retribution paladins. Itâs to the extent that, yes, a boomie with a healer will annihilate w/e melee (besides rets with their set) with a healer. Hunters are a bit weirder but assuming their healer can help keep slows/stuns off them (like a priest or hpal lol) they will also crush a melee with w/e healer.
Damage sod is not exactly carefully balanced (crazy i know)
era and retail doesnât have 1 shot paladins like in sod
Paladins were able to 1 shot in classic era with reckoning and still can
thereâs still a trade off in era, you canât have repentance and vengeance for it
and repentance spec 1 shotting is a broken class
Itâs deeply disturbing to realize the trifecta of hero classes has been the 3 hybrids! Paladin, Shaman, Druid (pre boomkin defensive nerfs). The depth of BOTH paladins and shamans kits is disgusting. Pally randomly gifted steed? Ele shaman access to feral spirits?! Why can feral spirits BASH twice! This was never even possible in wotlk or cataâŚ
You should be writing books with that imagination.
I agree. Weâre in here trying to debunk the myth that rets are somehow weaker than shamans in SoD.
Both classes are strong and pallies are borderline oppressive played well in a proper premade or with pocket heals. Shaman imo is stronger vs pugs in solo queue or in Blood moon.
The two guys above me do not get it, for different reasons. The alt is a borderline haystack intellectually.
The wanna be YouTuber thinks heâs the best ret to ever play the game, despite his attempts to mask his narcissism. Since heâs so good, all balancing, in his opinion should be directed to the lesser rets and nerfing shamans cause we apparently mash 1 button.
What do you mean do not post my videos? You say youâre not that good but at the same time you claim the average ret cannot do what you do in these vids. Which is it? Are you the king of rets or just an average gamer that plays a really strong class?
Palas and shamans are strong AF, that is THE fact and should be the end of the discussion. Some sort of nerf was warranted for the pala (imo they should also take away steed). Same nerf is warranted for tank/sustain shaman specs. Full access to Burn should be a deep elemental talent. No way should you be able to stack 1500 SP with 11k armor or resto/heal wall spec in PvP. At the same time, enha needs a serious buff.
Finally for boomies, starfall needs to get reworked. Shutting a caster down just pressing 1 button and running around was never a good idea. Iâd be fine giving it more damage but making it a cast or a channeling spell .
My one hope is mages become so OP next phase we actually stop bothering with shamans and rets, for once
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My original pally from original WoTLK was able to solo lots of people back to back like that. Blizzard gave us a lame version of Wrath Classic that had paladins a lot weaker than last time around. A custom 3.4 patch that never even existed in original Wrath and it was a custom balance patch that mainly had shamans at the top. My pally from WoTLK could go many bgs in a row with 0 deaths. AV in original Wrath was 51 KBs , 1 death 242 HKs. K? Thatâs good. Donât tell me a shammy or a druid or anything now currently is as good as that for a class.
Thatâs not a myth, itâs the reality that shamans do not like to hear and try to flip the truth to pally>shaman. Which isnât even remotely true.
Like you said this, but being almost unkillable with SR + WoE/ES + Riptide is far better than anything paladin can bring to the table. Not to mention the AOE Flame Shock shenanigans.
And you do all this on range freecasting to your hearts content, rets and shockadins have to close gaps so they themselves have an actual chance of winning.
A elemental healing someone is better than a ret, even enhance has better 1.5-3s heals compared to ret. Thatâs just insane.
CS is crucial for mana otherwise that paladin isnât gonna win, the horse is somewhat fine as long there are certain spells and runes in the game.
any class will play well with a proper premade or heals. Shaman is a 1 man army and does not need anyone elseâs help to dominate others on. Paladin would need valor buff from war without it my crit is 23% paladin needs wild strikes from feral. without it our damage is low in bg and yes ofcourse we would need a pocket healer to perform well. But all you shamans donât need anyone else, you can take multiple ppl on with ease
I mean stop only posting my videos⌠If ret was so strong there would be so many different PoV of paladin dominating but yall keep only linking my videos. Why not make your own paladin and dominate as well? Guarantee you will roll back to shaman after w week