You just nuked pretty much the only thing we get crafting orders for, thanks for that. When the profession overhaul happened at the beginning of Dragonflight the game didn’t have crests yet and we basically didn’t get included in the public crafting order system and then when 10.1 came out we got something to craft that included us in the new system and now that’s being taken away.
Why?
Maybe you could disable scrolls for current content so people would have to seek out enchanters again for their gear like the old days, or maybe make weapon oils soulbound so people that want them have to submit orders.
Make Enchanting Great Again
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What is this in reference to please? No enchanted crests next season or something?
Blue post, enchanted crests are bought from a vendor with regular crests now, enchanters will not see crafting orders again except for tools or wands which…you never see anyways.
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Where is that blue post? Can you link it? All I am able to find is that on the PTR, the enchanted crests are on a vendor… For testing purposes, being on the test realm and all.
Edit: Ah I see it. Tis on Wowhead. Soo… No more pitiful fee WOs listed in public for chanting. Swear I saw some for 50g! Only thing I will miss from crest is the resource procs… And since most ppls were smart and use R1 mats for it… Yeah I will not miss it much.
Cripple enchanting you say? Review how you do enchanting if those WOs were your source of income from enchanting I would say!
Massive L Blizzard you just made enchanting yet again irrelevant to the crafting order system. Like who came up with this idea…If the idea behind this is to make things more simper then that’s fine, but now you need to give enchanting something else.
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I feel like crests inherently have a weakness under the public order system. Everybody wants these things at some point or another because crafted gear is so good… but, it takes no concentration to make a crest, and many enchanters are going to be looking to get knowledge off their first craft of a crest as the amount of personal progression that you would need to put yourself into a position to craft at least one of the crests yourself is so large that many enchanters are stuck with this thing that they need a first craft on but can’t craft it themselves yet.
If someone brings their own materials and knows the game well enough, they’re not going to put a tip up for a crest because what’s the point? No concentration to make one, and most people probably don’t exhaust their public orders. So… there’s nothing left on the table to put value into a tip for. If you’re an enchanter and have your first craft out of the way, you’re probably looking at the order with no tip and saying to yourself “well I’m not going to make that without a tip”, but for the legions of enchanters that don’t? It’s not about the tip for them… they’re going to take that for the first craft knowledge. Even if it they changed it to require concentration, people are going to take that for the first craft knowledge regardless. The public order for a crest for those people is an absolute gift for free knowledge off the first craft. You’re doing those people a favor putting up a public order for a crest.
I have an enchanter. Hardly anybody uses the public order system to start with, and when they do, the tips are nothing to write home about.
DF’s enchanted crests had the Dracothyst mats that made me completely ignore the fees most of the times. A resource proc would make my click all worthwhile.
In TWW? Ranked enchanting mats? No good rare reagent to scavenge? And pitiful fees? Meh…
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I gotta say as someone making these for my guild, I hated these. I give my guildies free mats if they can’t afford to buy them and these ate into my storm dust pile like mad. (They pay me back by helping out at guild events.)
Also explaining all this to our friends returning to the game how this all worked was annoying. Telling people they had to get crests, buy a nascent crest, do a work order (explain what that is), put the minimum mats (what? Why?), then you can put that in a slot in another work order but this time put decent mats… Having had to walk friends through this a bunch of times, I am just really happy they are getting rid of this step.
Those public work orders were swarmed so fast I think I may have gotten exactly one in the whole expansion. So no big loss there.
Enchanters aren’t exactly hurting for things to sell this expansion, although obviously it’s not as lucrative as last expansion.
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Oh yeah, it’s a lot of hoops to jump through and it’s absolutely nonsensical. There are no levels of quality for them and it takes no concentration to make. You can’t spec into making them… there’s no knowledge points to put into making them because again, no quality levels. Any yoyo can make an enchanted crest as a result, but the materials you need to make one for yourself as an enchanter are so far beyond your reach relative to when you can craft one, that seeing one in the public order system is essentially a “hey look, free knowledge” for what’s probably half the enchanters in the game.
It literally doesn’t make any sense from a design perspective and it’s a complete pain for both the enchanter to get their first craft of it and the non-enchanter to jump through all the hoops to put up a crafting order for it. For what? For a valueless public order? I don’t doubt that people do put tips up for it, but it would either be out of the goodness of one’s heart and/or pure ignorance to do it.
Enchanting materials in general are absurd this expansion. I juggle 8 characters, and pass all my warbound drops to my enchanter to disenchant, and I still have nowhere near enough materials to feed my weekly concentration crafts and have to buy materials. Meanwhile on my jewelcrafter, I’m swimming in hundreds upon hundreds of ore and gems.
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You know you can transmute mycobloom R1 into dust R2 right?
This is a good change. The enchanting step made things needlessly complex. Do you know how many people I’ve had to talk step by step through making a creating request? Do you realize how much that step confused people? All it did was make it harder for casuals who don’t really understand things. This is better all around. Now for an extra w, drop this vendor right next to the creating order NPC
I understand their wanting to reduce complexity for new players.
I wish they’d add a new item or something enchanters can make; with this change as-is, there’s nothing for enchanters to really engage with in terms of crafting orders. Feels bad.
They can make enchants and weapon oils and finishing reagents. Why do they need to use work orders?
Pretty much like alchemy. List stuff on the AH. With the number of peoples that complain about having to interact with the WOs system. Those two professions engage with it quite minimally. Gotta make everyone happy yes?
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Alchemists only can make alchemists stones, a trinket nobody uses. Professions who make consumables have the auction house. They don’t need creating orders. That model works better for them.
Technically enchanting is in the same boat! They can make a wand that nobody uses lol. I’ve actually gotten three (!!) orders for the alchemy trinket. Zero for the wand lol.
I’ve gotten a dozen or so for the wand. Two for the alchemy trinket, I assume because they didn’t know old expansions stones work for transmuting. The problem with wands in general is that they provide no advantage over a staff while costing more crests. And the two classes that use shields can’t use them, so it’s really only done by people willing to work harder for the 1h look. They ought to consider weapon and offhand create that cost half as much, or making 2h weapons use 2 crests like they do 2 sparks. That would even things out and see wands get used.
Enchant also has the profession rod for other enchanters. I’ve made an couple of them. But yeah, consumable professions go to the ah. Which is likely an good thing, speaking looking for alchemist every time you need an flask would be annoying. In don’t think it’s a bad thing that the professions aren’t identical
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