Man, who cares?! The Horde is a terrorist organization nowadays. The only way we fight is with cheap and underhanded tactics. Why spend time or effort besieging Stormwind or Ironforge when we can just set up blight throwers all the way in Goldshire and or Kharanos and safely blight either city from a distance. Clearly, if we got Siege weapons that can reach Teldrassil from the shoreline, there’s no reason they can’t get far enough.
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I am honestly trying to remember which war the Horde fought fairly without their main objective being something nefarious?
Thrall during battle of Mount Hyjal?
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No blightthrower can match whats already in Goldshire.
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I care from a game play perspective. I spent 12 months in Siege killing Orcs and Goblins and Nazgrim. I’d rather experience a raid on an Alliance city before ever doing one of our own again.
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Hm, you will kill aliance and kultirans in dazarlazor.
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C’mon, man, you KNOW darn well that Sylvanas has zero intention on fighting fair, we’re not getting that Alliance city raid cuz modern Horde would probably rather just nuke it with blight or goblin explosives instead actually spending time and reasources on an extensive attack.
I stopped caring when Vol’jin got killed off and we got another dishonorable Warchief. Sylvanas fans love to mock the “muh honor” crowd and say that Honor is meaningless and unimportant in war, until you realize that fighting a war dishonorably takes all the fun out of fighting the war in the first place. Kinda makes you think, doesn’t it?
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No, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think it’d be fun as hell to blight Stormwind for 12 months. It’s been too long since our last raid filled with green aesthetics.
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Didnt Zul raze half of Stormwind on his way out?
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the horde razed both Undercity and Teldrassil.
With Blight and Azerite respectively. Dont get greedy now.
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Teldrassil, Theramore, and Gilneas were destroyed after a few quests in brief moments. The Horde player is barely involved. These were events that players have no direct hand in other than a few quests.
Meanwhile the Siege of Orgrimmar was MONTHS and MONTHS of people repeatedly invading Orgrimmar. Running around the streets and the deepest sanctums. The Alliance players even have titles to celebrate their conquest. They are Conquerors of Orgrimmar.
To compare one-off story events to a months-long raid tier is simply disingenuous. I don’t even see how anyone could compare things like Theramore, Teldrassil, or Gilneas to the Siege of Orgrimmar. Org is the freaking Horde capital and it was an event that lasted months and months for people to enjoy.
The Burning of Teldrassil, bombing of Theramore, and blighting of Gilneas were not raid tiers where we could spend hours and hours over months and months with our friends, farming gear, and earning a title to show we conquered an Alliance city.
No. The Siege of Org was though. Hopefully the Horde gets its turn.
It would only be fair for the Alliance to destroy TB or Silvermoon in 1 minute of glory, totally off screen, with no player interaction - while the Horde gets a year to roam the streets of Stormwind and conqueror it.
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Except the entire of Darkshore is now a battlefield for both sides. Literally all territory of the night elves is contested land right now.
The Theramore Scenario was relevant content FOR THE WHOLE OF MISTS!
Hell, people farmed it for epics/rares pre-Mists. And while we do have that fancy title, we didnt “conquer” anything, aside from killing people both sides wanted dead.
You want to talk “fair” then, I say we go all in. Before you get to raid one of our cities, I want as many towns burned to the ground for the Horde. I want a crater in the middle of Ogrimmar for 3 expansions. I want Bildgewater Harbor turned into Theramore 2.0. Then maybe you can get your raid.
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That sounds like an amazing trade.
i am full on board with that.
i don’t really care if stormwind gets raided either.
“conqueror of stormwind” that sounds nice.
As long as we can get at least 2 destroyed cities, and of course you can’t get the killing blow in whoever is the final boss of stormwind. that is reserved for some alliance character stealing the kill, fair is fair after all. don’t forget forgiving the alliance after we destroyed 2 horde cities.
Horde players really think that getting a horde city raided is worst that being permanently destroyed?
Then lets trade narratives, you guys will love it.
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I want a caverns of time to when the Orcs took over Stormwind
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Thats what Horde players do not understand.
Getting raided is a net benefit. You get gear and mounts relevant to your faction and you lose no significant location.
At best you are liberating your city from traitors at worst you are letting the other faction help you.
I will take all that WITH 2 cinematic shorts and winning questlines any day.
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Worse? It is posters like you that are stuck in some emotional tit for tat. It is not about inflicting worse insults on the other Faction - it is more about what is enjoyable and satisfying.
I imagine the Alliance had little fist bumping about wiping out Taurajo but they found some enjoyment in the Siege of Orgrimmar. Destroying Cities is little fun for the players even though it drives the story. The players are a bit removed.
The Siege of Org actually has the players directly involved for an entire raid tier. Inside the enemy capital. With titles to prove your conquest of the enemy capital.
The Horde gets minor JV middle school wins of Alliance territory … while the Alliance gets the Super Bowl victory on the enemy teams Home field, and Varian does a touchdown dance.
Yeah. A fancy title that shows you conquered the enemy capital. The Alliance did conquer Org - and the High King chose against dismantling the Horde. If total victory and the power over the other faction’s existence is not enough for the Alliance - it is truly them who demand too much from Blizzard.
So far in World of Warcraft, Horde players have only set foot in Stormwind to briefly flee it. Not conqueror it.
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The heck? This entire thread is an emotional tit for tat.
Those who fought Garrosh on mythic(which was never me) got the ability to fight him in a DESTROYED Stormwind docks.
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Ok. You are right. Horde players in World of Warcraft have been to the enemy Faction’s capital multiple times and not conquered it.
While the Alliance has conquered their enemy’s Capital.
Thank you for showing me I was wrong about a fact while making my point for me. I am glad to learn.
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Permanently? All you have to do is talk to Zidormi and poof, tree is back. I doubt they’ll ever remove that.
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We did NOT conquer Ogrimmar. If you want to say that killing a bad guy that threatens both factions while leaving the city relatively unharmed is conquering, grats, you did the exact same thing in WoD.
How about we lorewise destroy Ogrimmar and rest of your city and have Zidormi show you a past version of it. See how you like it.
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As a Horde player I helped to liberate Org. The Alliance conquered it.
Argue with Blizzard about the words they use to express their story - but the titles you get speak themselves.
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