And why is it ret?
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Ur so funni.
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I mean, someone has to keep those dirty mm hunters in check.
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MM is definitely not the best ranged spec rn if that’s what you’re saying lol
Definitely saying ret is the best ranged spec. Kidding not kidding.
To be clear, I don’t think it’s mm. Though they are tossing out fat chunks atm.
Ret is a caster and I say caster meta is worst meta 
warrior meta best meta
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I agree that judgement should have a cast time. <3
Ok let’s not get completely fried now
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HoJ should also have a cast time.
You dont want Judgement and HOJ to have a cast time because then you have to deal with rets getting Precog and having yet another spell going off simultaneously during the big swing.
Additionally, if you gave HOJ a cast time, Ret won’t lose a second of that stun due to a GCD and we’ll get another swing in
Humor aside, remember when Slam had a cast time? Could be like that. I’m not being serious by any means… but the slam cast was honestly one of the funnier things in wow.
Had it been a bigger hit, maybe the cast would have been justified. I recall some theory crafting at the time that slam was a dps loss BECAUSE you weren’t melee hitting during the cast.
Ret could be the king of micro casting!
Personally, I think Ret design is mostly fine right now. Attack range could be dropped a little bit. I want wings to be un-nerfed though simply because I dislike crusade.
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I think the question we need to be asking ourselves is why the best ranged spec isn’t a Mistweaver focused on casting Crackling Jade Lightning.
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I have mixed feelings on it. Their sustained is amazing atm and they have solid burst potential. They don’t seem to die and have great utility. I wouldn’t want to see changes, but it is annoying to have a ret just pumping the entire game while being kited. Doesn’t make sense. In a match I had earlier, it was MM, Arms, Ret, and me. When the MM was on my team, we spent most of the match kiting the ret. The ret did almost the same amount of damage as us combined.
!7% of that was on pets, so we can disregard that as cleave. Lots of that damage is front loaded on wings, so it’s tough to know how valuable it is.
Game is weird atm.
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Sounds like we need to make Shockadins a thing again!
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agree with this
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I get that pet damage doesnt really count but you still cant really disregard cleave because its not like cleave hits only pets and ive before I stopped playing I noticed some rets starting to play 2 points into the judge/crusader cleave talent. Once the Empyrean Legacy, Inquisitor’s Ire, and the Judgement cleave are dropped from talents, paladin ends up much closer to the rest of the pack.
Almost everything Paladin hits cleaves.
I mean ret judgement spam while they chase me is pretty annoying but not enough to nerf them. I still vote hunters and rapid fire spam but im still w/e, leave the game as is so I can get used to whatever meta we are stuck in.
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For sure. Just saying I’m ‘willing’ to give a pass on some of the unintentional damage bloat caused by cleave. The ret wasn’t doing that damage every round, but wasn’t far off either. Just feels like their offensive go lasts forever and it’s very tough to make distance.
Ele is bis now by far.