I am pointing out how hypocritical it is that you make it seem like dealing with the dwarves was a minor feat when timewise it probably it too Anduin the same amount of time to get the night elves back to fully helping him with his war.
You could just click it, but here, its the first picture: https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Faction_Assaults#/media/File:Patch_8.1_-_Faction_Assaults.jpg
At this point I think you are just trolling. Really, maybe you just need a race change?
But it didn’t. Varian didn’t have to fight to reclaim an entire zone. These situations are just not comparable. You are making things up, like invisible worgen earlier.
You literally had to create the Invisible Worgen Defense and accused me of using “game scale” for not buying the Invisible Worgen Defense.
Pretty sure I’m not the one trolling, Zerde.
The fact remains; the High King title is a nothingburger. It isn’t about seniority (which Anduin certainly wouldn’t qualify for). It’s not about force distribution (because he can only seemingly ask people to follow his lead, and in the one war he fought he got told no). And it certainly isn’t about strategic accumen (Anduin is literally a bad strategist and only won the Fourth War because the Horde fell apart because Sylvanas wanted more death, more than victory, all for a part of the grander scheme).
It’s a very bland honorific.
And Invisible Worgen are not real.
Sometimes I like threads like this one. Where the answer is a simple yes or no. So we can see what unrelated topic people will get angry over.
For once it is not Sylvanas or something related to her. I am shocked.
We devolved into arguing about BfA, so sorry Denona.
It’s still related to her.
Varian was in BFA? O.o
The High King nonsense was in MoP.
Although Zerde did attempt to imply that he was a little bit ago, no. He is still dead.
According to Zerde, Anduin is also High King. And Turalyon is maybe High King, but also maybe not.
I dunno, he sees imaginary invisible worgen now, so I’m at a loss too.
I could see the position of High King being removed. Since Anduin is MIA and Turalyon is only a Regent. So would it be High Regent? O.o
I think it must be. Or maybe he can be both. Regent High King?
They are the exact same. The point is the high king(both of them) cannot force anyone to follow them. They follow the high king because they consider it in their interest/the interest of the Alliance as a whole.
You are claiming that Genn would have attack Zandalar without bring his forces. How exactly does that even make sense?
It is about military control and acts as a figurehead leadership. The Alliance followed the high king because they respect them/considered what they were doing as the right course of action. It is still about seniority because no other Alliance has the same privilege to map out the war effort of the Alliance.
You are literally capable of doing the Seige as a worgen. The entire Alliance sans maybe the Elves were part of said assault. And as shown earlier the night elves were helping the Alliance with various faction assaults.
His title is “Lord Commander of the Alliance Forces” which is apperently equivalent to SAC as well. Hell, apperently even Turalyon doesn’t want to use SAC.
Now I know for a fact that you’re just trolling because your arguments are weak.
They are not. the same.
I’m making no claim. I’m asking where the other worgen are. You said they are either invisible, or all the players in the raid are worgen.
Trolling.
You’re also capable of doing it as Horde, who have no worgen. Pretending the players are there to represent worgen is silly, and you are obviously trolling and unserious.
Except that is exactly what they represent. Go to Sunwell Isle now and find me any non-draenei NPC Alliance, there are none but we know for a fact it was the Alliance, of all races, who ultimately killed Kil’jaeden.
No, you are justly blindly stubborn.
I do not believe at any point has any source whatsoever stated that Rastakhan was killed by worgen. That is in your head, keeping the invisible worgen company.
The reason I cannot see your invisible worgen isn’t because I’m blind; it’s because they don’t exist except as your very odd delusion.
You are a silly unserious troll who might need to drink less and maybe sleep more so you stop believing in invisible worgen.
He was killed by the Alliance, which happen to have worgens.
The reason you can’t see them is because are suppose to be represented by the Alliance players. The members of Alliance killed Rastakhan which include Genn. And you refuse to understand gamescale.
https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/races
Worgen make up less than 3% of the player population. I ran the math for you, and they make up approximately 6% of the Alliance player population.
The average raid group might have a single worgen.
Genn did not bring any worgen forces with him. Best case scenario, one happened to tag along with the bulk of the Alliance army.
According only to your head canon. It could be just as likely that the Alliance players actually represent gnomes, or dwarves, or the more likely case; Kul Tiran or Stormwindian forces.
Gamescale does not create invisible worgen or decide that the players represent worgen so Zerde can force an argument.
Again, this is simply your delusions speaking. Take a nap. Maybe they’ll go away.
Again, this prove you have no idea what game scale is. It has nothing to do with player population. The lore is the Alliance as a whole took down Rastakhan. And Genn of all people would have no reason to go alone and not bring his own forces to help in the Siege.
Alot of the races were not represented in the Siege, Hell, by this argument only one draenei was helping with the seige.
Maybe changing to troll will help more with your argument because trollish statement are all you have.
Then you shouldn’t have mentioned player representation, especially if the last thing you wanted to hear was about player representation.
Then where are they? Where is one other worgen who is neither invisible, nor a selectively interpreted player?
I dunno. I brought facts and statistics in.
You keep insisting that invisible worgen are real, and also the players.
Any reasonable person wouldn’t think I’m the troll here.
Wait, Blizzard has said which faction canonically cleared Tomb of Sargeras? What does ToS have to do with the Sunwell?
We don’t kill KJ in the Sunwell Raid. We flush him down the toilet.
Slip of the tongue, yes I mean defeat Kil’jaeden in Sunwell.
I am insisting that players are suppose to represent every race of the Alliance(and Horde) being present in that raid. I make no claim to how many of them there are. In Greymane’s case these there is no logical reason he wouldn’t be bringing his own forces to the fray and everything pointing to it being a game limitation/Blizzard not wanting to make an NPC of ever Alliance/Horde race in said raid.
I categorically reject your idea that there was ever any true schism with the Worgens/Alliance and Genn being in that raid is proof that while they were willing to help the night elves. The moment the true battle against the Horde started he was willing to go and help the Alliance, along with his forces.
Finally found the damn thing:
There, proof the worgens/Gilneans were also participating in the https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Battle_of_Dazar'alor
So again, the worgens were fully participating in the Seige, they were however the bait to help get the Horde out of the city.
Bonus, night elves as well! So yeah, the issue with Darkshore was resolved quickly enough that they both managed to send forces to help the Alliance. Similar to Varian’s issue with the dwarves, it took barely any time to resolve this dispute.
Oof. You probably shouldn’t have.
Because you reminded me via that cinematic that both the Battle for Dazar’alor and the Darkshore warfront both got added in 8.1 and had quests.
I did some digging, and everything points to the obvious conclusion; they happen simultaneously. The Darkshore questline to prepare for the battle mentions the concurrent preparations being made for Dazar’alor. The Dazar’alor quests make no mention of a second battle for Darklshore at all.
Those worgen would have already been there before Genn committed himself to aiding Tyrande, because both quests are part of the questchains leading up to their respective instances; Darkshore’s warfront and BfDA’s raid.
So you have managed to prove that at most, Tyrande and Genn did not pull out forces from an active theater of battle. They did not sabotage the Alliance.
Well, luckily you put me on the right trail to disproving that.
Because even by 8.3, Tyrande was clearly not on the same page as Anduin, not by any means. The quest:“The Price of Peace” certainly makes that clear, and is the epilogue to the Alliance war campaign, where Anduin’s all talking about the armistice and Tyrande’s all “nah, we gon’ fight”. Also by the novel Shadows Rising, Tyrande and Malfurion are still ignoring missives sent by Anduin.
Varian sorted the issue with the Council of Three hammers shortly after he learned the issue even existed via the Blood in the Snow scenario. Anduin never sorted the issues with Tyrande.
These situations are not the same. You can stop pretending they are now.
