So the Undead are really getting Calia

Lets just sit back and look at this properly.

Lor’themar and Jaina are now friends. (totally ignoring the events in Dalaran)
Thrall and Jaina are friends again. (power of friendship prevails)
Baine moves into Stormwind, befriends the Proudmoores. (we all saw this coming)

and now Lilian Voss, a recently raised undead invites Calia because Voss told her that they lost their queen. And one way or another Calia will end up leading the Undead.

Why doesn’t the horde at this point just raise the blue banner and admit total defeat? a quick, painless end to the entire horde than make us suffer with this painful circus show that will have the same end anyway.

The only ones that are slightly interesting in the story right now are Tyrande and Genn, everyone else has been stripped from any character they had, and they all became fully indulged with human emotions and human’s code of morality. Forget the traditions, forget the beliefs, forget their vices, everyone suddenly became caring and loving, even the undead.

Is this the story people really want? every race acting, thinking and feeling like humans do? Does the story become more interesting because we can suddenly we (as players) relate to all the races with our human emotions? or does it actually turn this colorful fantasy game into a complete bore.

They said the two factions are the main pillars of WoW, but what is the point of the factions if they all have the same goal, same morals and beliefs? Are those “main pillars” for how your character looks only now?

This game can’t have two good factions. It can have two factions trying to achieve the same goal, but the methods should be polar opposites, one should do it the noble way, while the other relies on the darkest paths. There has to be good/bad.

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Because mindless pointless war is boring after 15 years? And blizzard have been preaching the mantra of both sides are stronger together for the last 10ish years?

The war between the alliance and horde, has over and over again been stated to be a complete stalemate, that cannot actually go anywhere because it pisses off the playerbase if either side gets an edge. That and it’s a complete waste of manpower and resources?

Honestly, if all you want is non-stop no-reconciliation war, without any diplomacy or story “Getting in the way” maybe you should try Warhammer, not Warcraft.

The alliance vs horde faction war isn’t the only way war can be shown to exist in Warcraft. The two sides not trying to murder each other simply for existing isn’t compelling.

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So how come the guards keep attacking me. How do they know I am not there to chat w/ my chieftain?

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because evolving and moving a story forward is bad?

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Well, you haven’t bent over enough.

Try bending over further. they will let you in.

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Bad is a matter of perspective, but yes, your points are largely right. The problem is the writers can’t do morally-gray. They literally don’t have the skill set.

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Yup, Morally gray turned into a complete joke.

Maybe their writer should play Thronebreaker a few times and see what morally gray actually means.

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Genn is somewhat interesting if incompetent. Tyrande is just plain incompetent.

We see Genn actually pursuing the Horde in (typically failed) attempt to capture/destroy them. Tyrande just moans about her vengeance.

She will get interesting when she actually does something. She almost had it when she chucked the orc head in the moonwell, but fat lot of good that’s done.

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It’s probably because Horde Bias.

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Wrathian said that N’zoth is causing people to act contrary to their very nature. My hope is that all this peace stuff is just a result of his influence. Once he’s gone everything will start to tear apart during the next expansion when everyone gets back to normal.

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I’ve seen you post before, and I love your name!

No Calia as to your question is not what I want :woozy_face: but I’m Alliance now, but if Sylvanas makes a come back sound the drums , call the press, call me beep me :call_me_hand: I’ll be there! My void Elf personal RP narrative be scrapped I’ll make a new narrative

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Perhaps because there is more to war than race? It is very rare for a war to be fought legit between races, over race. Most of the time it is nation vs. nation over land, resources, political/religious ideology, one man’s insanity, etc.

The notion that a nation would be made up of entirely one race of people, or only certain races of people, is assinine. The entire war campaign is the most poorly thought out and unrealistic excuse for a war I have ever seen.

The real world doesn’t work that way. Nations are a melting pot. You can’t pass laws that say you are only allowed to befriend, marry, and breed with members of your own skin color (green, blue, etc.) from your own geographical region. If you did your nation would quickly cease to exist.

I get the "WoW has war in the name so must be about war’ simplicity of some arguments in favor of the war campaign, but when one must totally blow past just how unrealistic a purely race-based war truly is, and the sort of insanity this encourages with the xenophobic black and white violence and pig headed ignorance we see in the real world today wherever this manifests, it is really pretty irresponsible from both a game perspective and as a civilized human being.

But then I am forced to accept despite being a 15 year veteran that this game is currently being designed for hyper-aggressive short attention 10 year olds. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Mockery: Excessively edged elf is mad that the factions are no longer sub-optimally spending resources fighting one another. It’s as if the meatbag wants every other meatbag to act like non-sapient beings held entirely to instinct without a shred of higher reasoning and thought.

Query: Are you sure paladin is the right class for you?

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If Velen can ignore all the numberless crimes of Illidan against the Draenei in Outlands, like enslaving some Broken Draenei tribes, trying to genocide other tribes, trying to steal all the water from the planet to blackmail the population into joining his army and destroying Draenei souls to power his portal to Nathreza, and still become Illidan’s BFF in Legion, I don’t see what stops Jaina and Lorthermar from being friends.

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as i’ve said

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Statement: You will never be HK.

Request: Don’t try.

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Eh, let them do it. It’s more entertaining than some posts I see on the forums.

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Oookayy. Just for you.

Because Undead are the last to fall in the line of Horde succumbing to Human morality.

Blizzard won’t stop until every race has been “whitewashed” into homogeny, and players literally encourage it. Having diverse races is an archaic concept to them.

Night Elves and Undead are the last bastions of a unique world. A world that pulled me in because of the interesting interactions the races had.

Calia is the nail in the coffin (hehe) of the Undead as a unique race. But we could all see this coming from the Novel involving the meeting in Arathi.

As much as I hated the idea, I almost hoped the Alliance would get Lightforged Undead as an allied race so we could keep Calia away from the true undead, but its looking grim.

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Not true. There is a difference between gaining an edge and utter defeat on all fronts like it was for alliance in cata. We managed to defeat stonard in swamp of sorrows and despite what we were told in the quests nothing ever changed. Stonard is still there unscathed.

The wars feel meaningless and the story is hated because nothing ever happens with actual consequences. Neither side ever makes legit gains.

That needs to change. The alliance needs to reclaim the fallen kingdoms. Gilneas, gnomeregan, and shadowforge being made into full capital cities. Suramar can be made a new capital for the horde and the forsaken can turn stratholme into their new capital.

The alliance should own a lot more territory. There are ways to balance out the factions without having 1 to 1 parity on everything.

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