The orcs weren’t refugees from Draenor until the Dark Portal was closed at the conclusion of the 2nd war.
They were literally alien invaders from another world attempting to colonize Azeroth. It does not get more colonizer than that.
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They may have been literal alien invaders. But their world was disintegrating beneath their feet. They were looking for a new home, not an extension of the old one. At least thats my understanding.
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No. That doesn’t happen until the end of WC2. When Ner’zhul tries to open too many portals at once, and blows up the planet. Now the remaining chunk that is Outland is slowly dying.
Prior to that, the Orcs were just being ****s.
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No it wasn’t. The orcs blew up Draenor at the end of the 2nd war as well.
The entire 1st and 2nd war was orcs trying to conquer another world. Peak colonialism.
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Ok, I’ll half concede the invasion of Azeroth. They weren’t there to colonize but to conquer however. There is a difference. We don’t refer to William of Normandy as William the Colonist.
William’s goal was to take over as king of England. The orc’s goal was to wipe out the humans and take their lands for themselves.
Pretty big difference between the two.
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But not mutually exclusive.
We call lots of people inaccurate things.
They are a bunch of sulkers hated by their own leadership getting to vegetate in quite the worst environment Azeroth has to offer. Ain’t getting more refugee then that.
We’re really just throwing terms around like Bingo Wednesday huh
Colonialism is the pursuing, establishing and maintaining of control and exploitation of people and of resources by a foreign group of people.[1][2][3][4][5] The colonizer monopolizes political power and holds the conquered society and its people to be inferior to their conqueror in legal, administrative, social, cultural, or biological terms.[6][7] While frequently advanced as an imperialist regime, colonialism can also take the form of settler colonialism, whereby colonial settlers invade and occupy territory to permanently replace an existing society with that of the colonizers, possibly towards a genocide of native populations.[8][9]
The demon-bloodlusted Orcs weren’t going to be establishing any form of economic power to exploit and oppress the Humans in the Eastern Kingdom. They straight up razed Stormwind to the ground. They were basically tools being used by the Legion and Medivh. And do I really need to explain what Sargeras’ end goal was? So much so that when they realized the Orcs failed, their Plan B was to basically create mindless soldiers called the Scourge.
Notice words like ‘minions’, ‘massacred’, ‘destroyed’, and "Kil’jaeden would often boast of his corruption of the orcs and refer it as his ‘masterpiece’ ".
I’m genuinely amazed at the lack of lore understanding when the bulk of the Orc storyline is trying to rebuild their identity after an entire history of being genetically and biologically corrupted and manipulated by Demonic forces, falling into absolute depression, and then struggling to rebuild and survive because of historic resentment and the alien equivalent of xenophobia. So much so that it’s been 22 years since WC3 and people still can’t seem to comprehend this lesson.
It’s already been documented that it was initiated by “High elf encroachment on Amani lands”. It’s also interesting to notice that you will use this as a defense but then use the exact same line of thinking to attack the Horde. Be consistent.
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The orcs should be forcefully relocated to Outland.
The High elves should be forcefully relocated to Suramar.
That would fix everything.
Oh, hey.
What Night Elves did when they enslaved the Zandalari by threat of death into policing the other trolls for them.
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Very funny yet predictable that people have given up trolling troll/amani fans to defend the honor of night elves.
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Ewww.
That’s all I wanted to say. I can see defending a lot of races ingame. But defending the Kaldorei earlier actions against the trolls and other races is just….weird. But that’s me. 
No, but they absolutely, 100% meet this part of the definition you posted:
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I don’t even know what the point of trying to defend the High Elves in this instance is. Like yeah, they pretty blatantly settled on Amani lands and effectively settler-colonized them. The Amani have a valid justification to be unhappy with the Elves for this reason. But also at this point it’s been thousands of years and the Elves also consider the lands they settled to be their homelands.
It’s a complicated issue, more complicated than what Blizzard is ever going to be willing to fully engage with that’s for sure lol.
It’s just a strange thing to defend. You can still like the Elves despite the fact that they have done bad things… lord knows the Thalassian Elves have done a lot more bad things in WoW lore than this as well, but I still like them regardless. Like, this is fiction people you don’t have to treat the actions these groups take as if they’re real actions taken in the real world.
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That was definitely not cool on the Kaldorei’s part. We don’t know if there was any attempts at peaceful co-existence, but from what I’ve read, the Kaldorei Empire steamrolled through the Trolls.
Also just some commentary on my thoughts about the faction conflict threads: It’s genuinely wild to me that there are people who are so fixated on the Orcs and the Horde transgressions that they would then overlook Alliance-related transgressions. It kinda feels like by fixating on the idea that the Horde is inherently villainous and past the ability to extend basic empathy to, they would then be able to conveniently reject the terrible things that their own races have done and/or how those actions contributed to the very conflict that they then chastise and put solely on the Horde’s head.
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Cute you think that Blizzard even remembers the Orcs exist anymore.
Night Elves should be relocated to the Moon. What better place for them to live than with their goddess?
Peace in Kalimdor achieved!
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Imagine living in the Moon.
No genocidal horde there.
Tons of cheese.
10/10.
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Does it have crackers though?
Or bread?
Or biscuits? Something to eat with the cheese!