they’ve made every alliance leader literal god mode and give them power ups that horde leaders never see. the only one horde side that was that powerful was thrall and he hasn’t been for quite a while. it seemed just as ridiculous to those of us with horde toons what happened with them and nathanos btw.
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So they give them literal god mode but never do anything with it.
Ergo, they cripple the Alliance whenever the horde need it. They change the very character of a horde (Saurfang) when they need it.
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No, Sylvanas would have turned Banshee, she would not have died. I think Malfurion could not have won against Sylvanas in her Banshee form, regardless of her 10% health.
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you do realize this is not the horde players doing, yes? blizz writes how they want regardless of what we want. look at how many “shoulders off for saurfang” esque posts there have been from horde players that don’t like what sylvie has been doing. this expansion has been horde vs sylvie vs the alliance.
Not even remotely similar or on par. I think the OP wants a mass genocide for no reason, just like Teldrassil.
Do we know the same Saurfang?
He literally changes his concept of honor whenever it suits him. One moment is dying in battle. The other is not striking someone from the back (even though he literally hired assassins to kill the guards and civillians of a nelf town moments before)???
Also, that’s their punishment for adding things just because “lol cool”. They deserve to act dumb and idiotic whenever the Horde needs it, since they’re all demigods.
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this i agree with. but the nathanos thing was kind of ridiculous given what tyrande had just gone through and the entire thing about malfurion being legit the most powerful mortal. yes, yes, the valkyrs but still.
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This is TOTALLY Blizzard’s fault. Horde players are no more responsible for their actions as the Alliance are for their blunderous victories.
I’m just afraid that there’s going to be a horde split and we’ll end up with TWO horde factions and one Alliance faction.
Blizzard will somehow get a minor Alliance leader to go along so it doesn’t appear too horde.
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You’ve got it totally backwards there, pal.
SoO and BFD are +1 horde moments. Not alliance moments.
Don’t think about things in terms of narrative impact. Think about them in terms of a toy-maker.
Do you make a toy out of something because it sucks and you want to destroy it? Or do you make a toy out of it because it’s awesome and you want to show it off to all your friends?
Horde cities get turned into raids because the devs think the horde is awesome.
Alliance cities get burned down largely off-camera because the devs think that they suck.
Want the horde to attack an alliance city? You bet I want them to! The devs might have to actually modernize some of the trash they call “alliance cities”.
We’re never seeing more than a handful of generic quests in the Exodar because the Exodar is horrible.
We’re never going to see an Ironforge raid because Ironforge is a rolling dumpster fire where nothing makes sense, everything is spread out, and the whole thing is mono-color, drab, and boring to look at.
Stormwind? Stormwind is, honestly, too cramped for a raid. Other than that it is my first choice for an alliance city raid, however.
Darnassus? …too late. At least the Undercity could be recoverable some day if the plague could be cleaned out somehow. Darnassus is just…gone.
Boralis? It’s already a 5-man dungeon and far too cramped for a raid. Even more-so than Stormwind. There’s just zero room to move around in there.
Gilneas City? Maybe. If it ever stops being sieged by the forsaken. Would be nice to rebuild it and have some of the night elves move into one of the quarters, or something. Could be payback for their help with the Worgen after Teldrassil, then the Horde could try to burn it all down again. Just seeing a horde army capable of taking down the wall assembled would be epic as hell.
I would love some alliance city raids. I would love to see them from both faction perspectives like BfD. I would love to see the horde enjoy some of our architecture, and see the devs show off some of our lore in various, creative ways (and then burn them down).
The devs have to give a crap first, though.
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i can’t believe what you just said about if. take that back!!! cries
I say go ahead. Have your genocide. We want to raid two of your cities and we want the Alliance to have a new King every other expansion.
The grass is always greener.
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How about asking? Or maybe reading what I’ve posted?
I just want a same-for-same retaliation.
How would I do it? I’m an author, so it wouldn’t be as shallow as Sylvanas’ knee-jerk reaction.
The Alliance would be moving their spaceship to orbit over Ogrimmar to make a decisive killer blow. The horde know this and find a way to intercept it before it gets there. They strike the ship out of the sky and it lands in Ashara, demolishing those little “horde symbol wings” and leaving the area irradiated for at LEAST two expansions.
i’m not sure what alliance players actually want tbh. because what they want doesn’t seem “fair” it seems they want to dismantle the horde.
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You only say that because you’ve become use to shallow story-telling. There are not just two plot lines:
- Leader becomes evil and dies every expansion/every other expansion
- Be goody two-shoes.
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It is all terrible, disjointed, grasping-at-straws story writing.
I do not trust Blizz at the moment to make either the Horde OR the Alliance feel good. As a Horde Main, I have felt so terrible this expansion, and the only reason I am staying is because I have never unsubbed. (14 years and counting.)
I feel that Blizzard has not considered player happiness and fulfillment at all in this expansion. I utterly HATE the faction war, and hate that threads like this exist, showing the depth of hatred ignited in some players because of this game, aimed at other players… all of us who are supposed to love Warcraft, and share this together.
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the story is terrible for both horde and alliance. for me it’s not fun to do the alliance war campaign and legit undo everything i did during the horde campaign (which i did first). it was just a feel bad situation all around.
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You are a cool member of the horde.
You get it.
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i saw that btw. ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
You sound more like Horde than actually Alliance.
I thought Human Paladin Males were laughable and a joke. But I’m wrong. Night Elf Death Knights are the New Human Paladin Males.
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The fighting was still hundreds of feet away. Saurfang crept toward it, watching flashes of dark violet and emerald green ahead. There was a tremendous explosion of darkness, and then a rising sound of collapsing trees. Saurfang ducked behind cover as an object flew through the air, bouncing off tree trunks before slamming to a halt in the dirt only thirty feet away. The object raised its head—his head. Saurfang saw antlers. Without thinking, he threw his axe.
This is where Saurfang put an axe in Malfurion’s back. During the invasion of Darkshore the Dark Lady had been hunting Malfurion and he had been avoiding Sylvanas up until this fight. It is pretty clear from the story that Sylvanas is equal to or better than Malfurion when comes to actual fighting.
She handed the axe back to him. “I leave it to you, High Overlord.”
“This was your fight.”
She was already walking away. “This is your victory. None of this—not this battle, not Malfurion’s defeat—would have happened without you. You have earned this honor. Take a moment, if you’d like, and then take his head. I will meet you in Darkshore.”
IMO Sylvanas believed that when Saurfang emerged from the woods with Malfurion’s head in his hand the horde would cheer and salute Saurfang for his victory over the Archdruid. The horde would take it as a sign that victory was assured. Likewise the felling of such a powerful being would be a devastating blow to the Alliance.
Malfurion will live. Sylvanas could scarcely believe it.
She took the bow off her back, drew an arrow, and fired. The arrow arced over her Horde and slammed into the back of a Sentinel leader
This battle was not about a piece of land. Even Saurfang knew that. Taking the World Tree was a way to inflict a wound that could never heal. Losing their homes and their leaders would have ended the kaldorei as a nation, if not a people. Even the loss of one leader would have been enough to create a tide of despair. The wounds of this battle would have bled, festered, decayed, and rotted the Alliance from the inside out. Anduin Wrynn would have lashed out in a final, desperate war, looking for a miracle, because only a miracle would save them. But a miracle already had . A miracle granted by the honorable hand of a foolish old orc.
This conquest of Darnassus would rattle the kaldorei people. They would grieve for their lost, fear for their imprisoned, and tremble at the thought of the Horde ransacking their homes. But they would not fall to despair. Not anymore. Malfurion’s impossible survival would give them hope. Their wound would heal.
Even in this dark hour, they would say, Elune still watches over us.
And that was almost certainly true, wasn’t it? Elune had intervened. Perhaps she had even stayed Saurfang’s killing blow. And she wouldn’t be the only force beyond the Alliance to oppose Sylvanas’s true objective . A wound that cannot heal. Sylvanas needed to think of a new way to inflict one. There was
no turning back.
It was at this point that the Dark Lady had a conversation with a dying night elf, and the order was given to burn the world tree. Sylvanas was searching for something that would inflict “a wound that would not heal” upon the alliance. The dying night elf lead Sylvanas to how that might be done.
War would still have come. That had been certain the moment Saurfang had led the Horde into Ashenvale. And it would have been what he had feared most: the meat grinder, spending so many lives to achieve so little, ending with a whimper, and thus dooming future generations to a war nobody could win. Once again, Sylvanas had seen it before he had.And so … She had sent a message. This was not a war that would end in a stalemate. Not now. The Alliance and the Horde would both understand that the only choices were victory or death.
Saurfang realized that the failure to kill the leaders of the night elf’s meant that the kaldorei would eventually rally and fight to take back the world tree. A lot of lives would be lost and the war could/would probably last for generations with no real victory for anyone. Sylvanas did not start this war so that it would only end in stalemate, She wants a resolution once and for all as to who will rule Azeroth. By burning the world tree she has made peace impossible, the alliance will settle for nothing less than destruction of the horde. The Horde will triumph or it will die, Sylvanas is betting that she will be victorious.
Also its made clear that Sylvanas true objective has yet to be revealed.
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