Judgements of the Pure (PvP Talent) is now available to all specializations (was Protection only) and has been redesigned – Casting Judgement on an enemy cleanses 1 Poison, Disease, and Magic effect that they applied on allies within your Aura.
Doesn’t this kind of hardscrew shadow priests? Judgement is such a low cooldown unless you only DP the second after judgement paladins are going to just passively remove it giving it next to no uptime.
Also seems insane vs ele shamans, literally impossible to have more than one flame shock out and even that one is going to have very little uptime.
Even though you have to use the judgement on the person applying the debuff it Seems kind of broken.
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If it doesnt proc dispel protection it will be crazy strong.
Even if it does the only dispel protection that will possibly act as a deterrent to the benefit you gain just nonstop cleansing everyone is going to be UA.
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The rets’ healers are never going to be sitting cc with this either.
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Oh right didn’t even think of cc dispel lol, yeah that is game breaking mechanics right there.
My team is cced ? NO PROBLEM I WILL DIVINE TOLL AND DISPEL U GUYS IM SUPER FINE
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its more broken for kyrian ret cleansing off of divine toll proccing judgment every 5 seconds imo than for holy where judgment is 11 seconds cd, doesnt generate hp and costs mana
i mean i love it and divine favor can lowkey go to the dumpster with this new talent, but we already have cleanse the weak and divine toll doesnt proc judgment for us
new shiny things are exciting though (until inevitable nerfs) 
imagine prot with 2 judgments on low cd tho
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I didn’t see the magic dispel part, only saw poison and disease. Hmm, a pasive auto dispel on top of the new Greater Judgement, the forums will love this.
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oboy there’s an actual way for prots to self dispel mindgames now even though they can wog through mg sometimes what a world to live in
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Does this mean rets can dispel poly?
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This talent effectively deletes elemental shamans. A holy paladin has a dispel on a 8-second CD and judgement on a 12-second CD. The flame shock CD is 6 seconds. A holy paladin can literally dispel every single flame shock the second it is applied. This is absolutely horrendous game design. Beyond this, paladins now have a better blessing of sanctuary on a 12 second CD to free their teammates from CC. Utterly game-breaking.
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I mean cleanse the weak and this talent are basically going to make elemental shaman auto lose to holy paladins. And does this mean that judgement from rets will dispel poly on their healers?
This game man.
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I really hope there are some ret nerfs coming down the pipe to go along with these godmode pvp talents they’re getting.
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This cannot go live. It will render entire classes unable to get any setups vs. a team with a paladin on it.
This is probably the most broken talent they have ever tried to add to the game.
Scream about this talent on the PTR forum and vocalize this fact, or we’re going to be sitting in a meta where Paladins are walking demigods. Worse than now, even.
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Just go Affliction and lol when he pops Divine Toll, if he’s crazy enough to run that against an Affliction
Atleast it still doesn’t remove hex curses and shamans can windsheer the disc penance and gain 20% holy damage reduc against the ret? 
Ugh getting a hoj against a ret team just got significantly bigger brained
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This talent will raise the Ret skillcap though. You can’t just mindlessly use Judgement off cd on whoever you want. You have to react to which debuff you want to dispel and hit the correct enemy.
Except its going to be exactly like pre SL blade dance, they are going to press it on cd and accidentally make everyone miserable 100% of the time.
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Yeah sure that can and will happen, but good Rets will be using it a lot more judiciously
90% of the non-ret players on the ladder aren’t queing into good rets though