because im not the one suggesting commiting dev time to reoverhauling a single spec a 2nd time just because people miss hitting their 2 dots and then waiting 2 seconds to reapply explosive when lnl procced lol
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They committed dev time in the first place in reworking a popular spec into the gameâs most controversial and unpopular spec. Then they did it again 1 expansion later. Youâre really not in a place to accuse ranged SV fans of wanting to waste dev time. Itâs already been wasted. We just want to fix it.
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yeah 5 years ago they did, how is that even remotely relevant lmao it doesnt change the fact you want to overhaul (not fix) the spec again.
again, youve been doing this for literal years, not replying again lol
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Because SV being melee is still extremely problematic. 5 years later and itâs not any more familiar to the playerbase and still remains the least popular spec in the game. There is no reason to keep this spec melee at this point beyond pride.
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Its not popular because the lemmings who jump on the forums and reads âSV SUCKS AS MELEEâ just go âOKâ and play something else. SV is fine where it is, and as it been said, the same crew jump on the forums, and decry how much of a failure it is and how great RSV was. I do mean past tenseâŚWAS. Even though the argument that escapes this thought is if RSV was popular and great, then why was it picked as the one to change ? Coin toss ? Red Light Green Light ? Rock Paper Scissors ?
So 6 years later here we are. Iâll will still say what I have always said. If it was range again, it would be no more popular than it was the first go around, and unless it was the meta, people would still be BM or MM.
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I primarily play melee specs when I focus on a character for an expac, and even though my main and alt are a DK and warrior, survival is infinitely more enjoyable than my main/alt. The only more enjoyable/fun melee spec to me is WW, and ww is typically bottom tier.
So letâs delete WW right?
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This makes sense because when people asked Hazzikostas about melee SVâs unpopularity he said peer pressure from forum posts, which are definitely read by a majority of the playerbase, is the core reason.
Oh, wait, thatâs not what he said. He said that Hunters by and large prefer to play ranged and therefore will not be interested in a melee spec but heâs sure theyâll get plenty of new players and rerolls to make up the difference.
Because Blizzard makes poorly-thought-out nonsense decisions all the time especially when it comes to class design in WoD and Legion. They got some new people in charge that were so enamoured with melee specs and melee Hunters that they declared ranged SV to be the same thing as MM because they both used a ranged weapon with low dependence on a pet and turned SV into their sandbox for their repulsive melee Hunter experiment. They did this while acknowledging that it wouldnât be popular and that many people would be disappointed.
As it turns out WoD onwards marked a transition in the WoW development team away from a player-first philosophy in favour of a developer-first one and this is evident in things extending far beyond just class design. Whether or not ranged SV was popular is not up for debate; itâs clear from representation data from the time that it was. What the change to melee shows is that Blizzard didnât care about what players wanted.
This would be a good thing actually because it was routinely very popular 
Iâm sure you donât because of the average selfishness of melee Survival fans, but donât you see a problem with a Hunter spec being designed in a way that alienates Hunter players in an attempt to pull in melee mains like yourself? Call me crazy but Hunter specs should be designed to be appealing to Hunters; not as fun alt specs for melee mains.
Windwalker is in fact a very powerful spec right now that has many times the representation of Survival. Definitely not the best example you could have used.
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The fact that I like survival and main melee specs is completely unrelated to its design or design intention.
As players I donât really think we can say for sure that devs deliberately wanted to attract melee players with the redesign of survival; or alienate players drawn to a hunter/ranger fantasy (which to be honest doesnât at all because a ranger is typically well versed in all forms of combat melee included). What I will say is that an instant cast, ranged dot spec was about as boring/brain dead as this game could get.
WW was horrible in BFA, and is only decent in M+ and aoe/cleave raid bosses atm. It was more a poke at the wild statements in the thread.
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What, so Survival was not made melee to appeal to melee players?
This doesnât work when the Hunter class in WoW was explicitly defined around ranged combat. This made sense because âhunterâ is a very broad concept and it needs more specificity as a playable WoW class. Ranged weapons were a great conduit for the Hunter fantasy. When Blizzard goes to that class a decade later and forces one of the specs to be melee all that accomplishes is making that spec a worse Hunter. Survivalâs entire identity is a handicap.
âŚto you, a melee main.
You really are living in a bubble.
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Ion did say as much in the interview. How they knew going in that it wouldnât necessarily be aimed at then-current hunters but rather would make for an attractive choice for new players & players of other classes.
The only thing this proves is that RSV wasnât the right spec for you.
Meanwhile, it very much was just that for a lot of other players, waay more players than the amount who are interested in playing current SV.
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dont bother, its just a bad faith argument that boils down to " i dont like melee sv, i liked ranged sv" thats made multiple paragraphs long by adding buzzwords like extremely problematic lmao. he just replies with the exact same post a couple thousand times for apparently no gain since even he knows no1 is reading these forums lol
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Yea I donât get it, they have two other options and its like thereâs only survival, and then thereâs only one class in the entire game.
Many of us used to main Survival when it was ranged. This isnât a simple live-and-let-live situation. Melee Survival exists because ranged Survival was removed.
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If you havenât by now, you probably never will.
But either way, itâs not just about making it ranged again. I personally have no interest in replacing current SV at all, I just want RSV back. Itâs about getting back the playstyle that was RSV prior to Legion. A playstyle that cannot be found anywhere else, not even in âthe other two optionsâ.
So no, thereâs no alternative, thereâs no other class that could provide what old RSV was all about.
The ranged vs. melee-argument that people are having time and time again stems from the above, but has more to do with the class as a whole, and what the majority of itâs players want when playing as hunters.
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Is this Metrohaha (something like that) the Deathknight?
Edit: doesnât appear to be the same according to achievement point and guild names.
new world out here already making twice as many ranged specs as blizz could come up with
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Yeah but itâs new world 
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âŚis actually more fun than MSV on live.
Donât @ me
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So an MMO that looks to appeal to ranged, and I believe you to be a melee enthusiast, disgusts you? I know thatâs only one part of itâŚ
You mean MetroĂŽd?
Doubt it. Why?