So NOW players will get AB exalted and NEVER do an AB

[Petforce-wild-growth]

@Chucknorris-living-flame

100 bloods equal 100 copper coins. 100 copper coins equal one silver coin. You can turn in one silver coin and get a piece of lumber at the arena vendor. You can turn in this piece of lumber outside the arathi basin portal to the vendor for 200 AB rep. This is infinitely repeatable.

And it better be capped at revered.

Because if it’s not, that means the overpowered classes who stack together in STV can get 3000 AB rep per event. Which trivializes AB completely and makes the game not worth playing

Cool is this live or what? Cause now it makes STV BM worth doing since you get zero honor from the event.

[Chucknorris-living-flame]

@Felpickle-illidan

Lol so dramatic about a faster rep grind lol.

No, I’m completely about a faster rep grind for SoD – that’s to be expected. That’s why I wasn’t having an issue with lumber turn-ins up to revered. Which significantly speeds up the total rep grind.

But allowing these turn-ins past revered trivializes it. And that’s the problem. You can stop strawmaning me anytime.

[Dulishus-living-flame]

ab is the best bg, people will play because it’s the most fun

[Soban-living-flame]

it doesnt really trivialize 21k rep, just gives you an additional and alternate way to get it.

[Soban-living-flame]

and isnt carried by FC jumps

[Stormwolf-khaz-modan]

@Dulishus-living-flame

people will play because it’s the most fun

Exactly.

Even once I’m Exalted, I’ll still play AB.

[Soban-living-flame]

i think part of it is all the p1 wsg premades are enjoying getting wiped by trade chat pugs in stv and their egos cant handle it.

gnomer gear aint the gap that bfd was.

[Tira-shadowstrike-au]

@Chucknorris-living-flame

Which trivializes AB completely and makes the game not worth playing

If the only reason to do AB was for rep and honor, and, upon being given an alternate path for those, players dont ever play the BG, then it wasnt really a fun BG was it?

If AB is such a fun BG, people would play it for just that: fun

[Chucknorris-living-flame]

@Stormwolf-khaz-modan

Exactly.

Even once I’m Exalted, I’ll still play AB.

Sure, some will for exhibition. But you can’t advocate for the current situation unless you are also advocating that everyone gets their BiS raid gear in day or so. Just raid for fun, right?

It’s a disingenuous argument. And you know it.

[Chucknorris-living-flame]

@Soban-living-flame

it doesnt really trivialize 21k rep, just gives you an additional and alternate way to get it.

If you are playing efficiently, it takes 4 hours of gameplay to go from reverered to exalted using lumber from STV. That is trivializing AB rep. If you’re playing only at half efficiency, it will take you 8 hours of gameplay.

This is bad design. Imagine if you had no reason to raid because you had everything you needed in 8 hours. It would be dumb. And arguing that some people will just raid for fun is disingenuous.

[Xurf-grobbulus]

it seems like your thought process is being trivialized in this comment section, increase your efficiency by stopping the whining

[Tira-shadowstrike-au]

@Chucknorris-living-flame

But you can’t advocate for the current situation unless you are also advocating that everyone gets their BiS raid gear in day or so. Just raid for fun, right?

Actually, I am an advocate for anti-gear-as-progression, I think it adds a huge level of toxicity to the game, results in old, and even current content getting trivialised, and imbalances pvp horribly between the haves and have-nots.

Raids and pvp should reward cosmetic progression, but stats should be given to the player to allocate as they desire within a specific stat budget

[Alodorx-tichondrius]

By playing eff you mean having 4 unemployed friends available for 12 hours straight every day for BM events with me? For mediocre items and 1 slot, at best, to be filled on my character? Waaah

[Chucknorris-living-flame]

No it only takes like 2 weeks to go from revered to exalted if you’re winning most games. Maybe three if your you’re winning half the games. Playing about 3-4 hours a day.

Pretend world doesn’t work here.

But turning that into 4 hours of gameplay is extreme overkill and illustrative of massive ineptitude in design.

The only players supporting it are coddled retail players only interested in game killing raid logging.

Which is exactly what SoD will result in because of these developers being on the wrong project.

[Hobbes-wild-growth]

If people dont play AB for the fun of it then they probably werent gonna play it anyways.

You all play BGs as a means to an end, rather than for fun…

Also people still need honor to rank, so calm down

[Stormwolf-khaz-modan]

@Chucknorris-living-flame

It’s a disingenuous argument. And you know it.

Is it though?

What was the tail end of P1 WSG like?

You had 1 of 3 general options for a WSG match.
Option 1) Be in a premade that stomped a pug until they AFK’d in their graveyard so you could cap the flag 3 times for an 8 minute win (205 Rep)
Option 2) Be in a premade that matched against another premade and fight for the 5-10 minutes until one got the flag capture, then the other AFK’d to give them the remaining 2 so everyone could “go next.”
Option 3) Be the Pug, and go AFK against a premade and take your token.

That’s not playing a BG… people were just there to get their exalted for 40 bracers. (It’s the first, and last time I’ll have ever been exalted with WS- I hate that BG.)

AB? I thoroughly enjoy AB and will be playing it when I feel like PvPing and STV isn’t up. That includes once I’m exalted.

I’m pretty sure anyone who is there because they enjoy it instead of needing Exalted or Honor will actually play the game…arguably better matches- and probably more chilled people since a loss doesn’t mean loss of progress towards exalted.

[Chucknorris-living-flame]

Yes and some people would raid without any rewards too. But it doesn’t mean it would be a very popular activity. Doesn’t mean that it would be good design to make raids stop giving loot after a day or so because you could get all the raid drops in 4 hours of STV turn ins, for example.

Better design would be having substantive rewards or goals one is going after for the content they are engaging in.

Also, by the time honor is viable, the gear will be obsolete according to the sticky. Rank 14 won’t open up until AQ. Which makes it meaningless. So that was already a problem.

This is just the final nail in the coffin. I thought the phases would be at least fun. Oh well.

[Tira-shadowstrike-au]

@Hobbes-wild-growth

You all play BGs as a means to an end, rather than for fun…

In fairness, psychology papers have been written on the effects of extrinsic rewards impacting the intrinsic fun of a particular activity.

Basically, when you tie rewards to something, it rewires your brain to stop enjoying that activity for its pure fun value. Thats why I think putting the pvp reward tracks into something outside of the BGs is actually good for the game, as it allows the BGs to actually be enjoyed for their intrinsic fun value.

[Stormwolf-khaz-modan]

@Stormwolf-khaz-modan

I’m pretty sure anyone who is there because they enjoy it instead of needing Exalted or Honor will actually play the game…arguably better matches- and probably more chilled people since a loss doesn’t mean loss of progress towards exalted.

@Tira-shadowstrike-au

Basically, when you tie rewards to something, it rewires your brain to stop enjoying that activity for its pure fun value. Thats why I think putting the pvp reward tracks into something outside of the BGs is actually good for the game, as it allows the BGs to actually be enjoyed for their intrinsic fun value.

And there it is.

[Chucknorris-living-flame]

raids should stop giving gear after the first week. People should just play it for the love of raiding. The quality of raiders will go up.

This is getting pretty tired. Lol