You would think since allegedly, Ian Hazzikostas, plays shaman, that this class and all it’s specs would get some actual results in making it viable. It’s depressing knowing that on my main Shaman, (which isn’t this one, I have 3) My raid lead is talking to me about seriously not rolling ele shaman in shadowlands due to it’s viability. So I have to rethink my entire plan now because blizz swears they want to make the player experience great for everyone, except ele shamans, windwalkers, feral druids and holy pallies (you were too op to begin with, ineffable truth should have never been in the game). So blizz took an extra month to make sure they gut the spec I was planning to play rather then fix the issues of survivability and not being able to keep up with damage of whatever they feel should be Meta. (S Priest which low and behold was my main all the way through WoD and which blizz completely ignored till now. Warlocks since it’s the devil worship class. Rogues, since they love to tease you at the start then nerf bat you later) Here’s the brain surgeon logic the employee who decided this came up with, “Um, lets just nerf the lava surge proc rate so we don’t even need to work on that spec till next patch. I mean, it’s what makes the spec fun and almost mildly B-tier. Why would we want that? D-Tier it is!” So yeah, the one or group of employees that should have left, stayed to accomplish this.
I love enhance and yeah they are making it better and now they are tuning the numbers to be more viable but for what? To design a raid encounter where you can only bring 3 melee dps to? One mandatory DH, one mandatory Warrior and one mandatory Sub rogue. Why even bring an enhance shammy for windfurry totem if it benefits 3 out of 20 people?
Like seriously, if I was Ian, I’d walk into the dev’s room and just drop kick the person who came up with these changes.
In what world do you say you are listening to the community and completely ignore the thousands of cries to fix survivability and to stop gutting the class? That lava surge proc nerf just decimated the entire point of going back to ele (since 8.3 was sooooo ele friendly no one played it) ok so here’s the answer. I’ll roll the next funnest class to play… WW Monk! oh wait… -_-
Sounds like your raid leader is being dumb as it won’t matter for the raid if you play Ele unless you’re pushing for a top 10 raiding guild spot. You should be playing what you’re good at and what you enjoy.
With Mythic raiding, you get to a point where the wipe fest for several hours just becomes too frustrating to deal with. So yeah, comps do matter. No matter how much Blizz denies it, the only way to down some mythic bosses is if you stack certain specs or wait for 3 nerfs to then finally be able to let those people who were willing to play a class they never wanted to, to bring thier alts they wished they could main from the start and get carried by the group you made a sacrifice of FUN for. Regardless of being top 10 or not, wiping for hours on end is never fun and most boss encounters, once the mechanics are sorted out, usually can only be overcomed by increase in damage. So why bring a handicapped spec when you can simply replace them with one that’s not?
This is why most guilds are useless/over rated/outdated. Find a better guild. Or better yet find a raiding community. Most dont care what spec/class you are as long as you pull your weight/bosses die/they collect loot.
I was in a raiding community doing Mythic Ulidir as ele when everyone swore up a d down ele was useless and you should never even consider playing it outside of LFR.
Play what you want to play as long as you are good at it. If you suck at it then stop complaining and get better.
There are PUG groups that clear Mythic content. There is ZERO reason to not play what you enjoy unless the PEBKAC.
Pug groups do clear mythic content after the raid has been nerfed to absolutely nothing. You could parse 100% in 8.3 as ele and still be top of the bottom tier of dps. So why be dead weight to your “Raiding Community” that secures a spot for you when you can actually be considerate to their time and effort to form groups and play a spec that actually contributes to the clearing of content.
It’s a matter of finding a balance of feeling as if your contributing and playing something you enjoy. Is it too much to ask a game developer to fix the glaring problems they have with their game design and logic?
Why come here crying if you buying into what your RL is selling?
Sounds like you just wanna reroll FotM anyway. So go ahead we won’t judge.
I mean you didnt play shaman all xpac except EP and then only 3/8 Mythic. Not that I am judging just curious how much Mythic Raiding are you planning on doing.
Typical. When people run out of arguments, they resort to name calling and judgement. Thanks for the input Madalynn. And this is a 3rd shaman alt (2 horde, 1 alliance) not my main one, which I couldn’t raid on since I had to run my assassination rogue for 8.3 (HENCE MY ENTIRE POINT!)
Woah…simmer down. Nobody is calling you names. Just trying to get a feel for where you are going with this.
There is nothing wrong with playing what is FotM. You pay the cash play what you want to play and what is fun for you. Most people want to play what is top x and that is fun. So be it.
My point is and I stand behind fully; if you “pull your weight” you should be able to play “whatever you want”.
If you are middle dps and someone is crying you need to stop playing that and play something that pulls more dmg then you need to find a new group.
Now if you are last on dmg then of course I cant help you.
My guild is ranked way higher than yours, as are many others that have elemental mains in their raids. Point being only at that higher point would you need strict comps, even at my level it’s just good consistent players that kill bosses.
Thanks for the input, but for the third time, this isn’t the toon nor the guild I raid on. Why post on an alt you may ask, well cause there are two types of comment trolls… the ones that check your toon to criticize your guild and the 2nd type that goes to your profile to judge you. Like clockwork this post has attracted both.
LOL I think it is clear who the troll here is. But thanks for stopping by, asking for advice, not getting the boohoo woah is me bleeding heart response you were seeking, then attacking the people that are trying to understand and help you by giving you honest feedback.
For others with similar issues who find this post. My advice is: if you arent pushing World/Server 1st content then play whatever you enjoy as long as you can pull your weight. If others tell you anything else then leave and find new people to play with.
You’ve never gotten CE in any tier, I wouldn’t call that hardcore pushing mythic. Play whatever the hell you want and find a new guild. Honestly, looking at your comments and mindset, you don’t really understand what pushing Mythic means.
The point of this post was to point out how class design effects the perception of the community (which effects how much content you get invited to) and performance of specs which effect the entire experience within the game when you are drawn to a spec that you want to play. This isn’t about guilds or guild leaders or what has or hasn’t been cleared. This isn’t an imaginary issue that all of the sudden I, out of no where, is the only person experiencing it. The devs know exactly what Im talking about and they promise to address it but thier actions and decisions don’t match up with those claims. They claim to want to balance the game so that no one spec is preferred over another, then they start moving in that direction, then overnight decide to revert back to something worst then what caused you to not get invited in the first place. This is the point of this post. And it’s not a raid leaders fault they need to plan around these realities so to not effect the entire group. It’s not wrong to mention these things when it effects a large part of the player base. Ele shaman is not the only spec this applies to there are many more classes and specs this is true of. Windwalker is the prime example of a spec that is the least played not because people don’t want to play it, but because it becomes irrelevant due to the devs lack of addressing it. A simple removal of mystic touch from brewmaster and mystweaver makes ww desirable without effecting the desirability of brewmaster and mystweaver. But a simple start like that cannot be addressed. This change would force the devs to actually do their job of keeping thier promise to make specs viable. Tier list shouldn’t exsist. Specs should have situations where they shine over others which cause all of us to rely on one another but no spec should eclipse others to the point where they are the only specs being recruited or searched for, for any content.
I agree, it doesn’t matter … after they nerf the raid three times. Raid comps at the start of 8.3 look real distinct compared to the other 3 time frames. And yes, you can sit for two months to play the spec you want, sometimes 4 months for others.
But looking at warcraftlogs doesn’t make sense, it’s just a figment of my imagination.
So i haven’t checked anything and no one has attcked you and you are majorly defensive. Perhaps you should take a step back and breathe. From the sounds of it you came here expecting trolls and you see people responding and instantly think they are trolls because they are not agreeing with everything you have said.
??? I don’t know what you’re getting at - there’s plenty of shamans that grab CE before the raid is nerfed a single time. You’re living within your own bubble here.