Or potentially do 0 damage until called upon to do damage by the abilities driving it.
So it’d still be attacking, but just visually.
The lower performance when having the pet out is an accepted trade off and always had been. The problem is some high end players don’t like having to spend a point on Lone Wolf to achieve the highest petless damage and I believe the tie-in to Lust since LW takes time to rebuild after dismissing a pet. Both can be resolved multiple ways without the need to remove pets.
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The pets are the main change, yeah. I don’t think anybody can honestly say the changes are a net negative from a performance/ease of use standing.
I feel like it’s a major step forward for MM, but I know some people are gonna be absolutely livid over losing pet access. Feel bad that there’s no real middle ground, but the middle ground hasn’t worked out for MM.
What if they named their pet Mark?
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MM was able to misdirect to pet for 20 years - pretty sure it was okay given how popular hunters are.
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Pets feel awkward for mm. Especially in pvp.
You stand so far out that the pet barely has time to reach your target. It’s not like BM where they charge around from target to target
Theme wise, the pet doesn’t make sense for a quiet stealthy long range sniper/scout. How do you convince a grizzly bear to be sneaky?
Pets are taken in pvp to break roots and sacrificial roar for mm. The damage they provide doesn’t factor into it since they nerfed healers drinking way,way back.
And why does that necessitate gutting MM instead of making a new spec?
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BM is a zoo, MM is ranged with a single pet, and SV melee with a single pet.
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Does anyone else remember that Hunter was only added a few months prior to release with barely any proper testing. The class started off in shambles and now 20 years later Blizz is finally doing something about it.
A pseudo-pet that can’t tank is a massive downgrade over current functionality.
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Lawyer spotted right there. 
Which… If it pulled my pet out to do I’d be fine with. (though I also still want the ability to just have my pet around.)
Like I don’t get removing pets to add in a pet(eagle) to do things…
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im a survival main but i’m interested in trying nu-mm in 11.1
I thought Marksman was the non-pet Hunter spec? WTF was Lone Wolf to begin with?
Lone Wolf used to not exist at all. Then they created Lone Wolf to use as a carrot to move us away from pets and it failed miserably so it became an optional talent.
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Then the pet would literally just be better.
It is quite literally a damage thing. That’s it.
I’ve been raiding at a CE level since WoD.
If MM Hunter has been the play, you always used Lone Wolf. Like, literally always. It was just mathematically superior. Every top MM Hunter log on every single boss across every single patch and expansion since the talent’s introduction has used Lone Wolf, and in AoE the talent only gets better.
I’m sure they could’ve figured it out if they had actually tried. There have been good ideas floating around for years. But supposing there really is no middle ground, why do the people who picked the pet class because they like pets deserve to lose when the anti-pet crowd already has what they want?
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All hunters used to use guns, bows, melee and had pets. Marksman was for the more gun focused tree, beast master for the more beast playstyle and survival for traps, guns, bombs, melee.
Now hunter lost all their class identity and just reverted to the gunner, the beast dude and the melee dude.
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