There are way too many spell kicks in cataclysm classic. They need to increase the cooldown to at least like 45 seconds. How the hell am I expected to do anything when everyone has one or more kicks on a less than a 15 second cooldown. Am I really expected to fake cast 2-3 kicks every time I want to cast a spell? It just ridiculous.
this is the biggest skill issue. Shamans have so many ways to keep people away from them or LoS people lol.
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Ghost wolf kite with earthbind down around a pillar. Bait with Lava Burst. Ground Mind Freeze or Shear with grounding totem. Have teammates peel for you. And, yes, juking. You have some options.
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I love how you encounter people who actually use them. All these interrupts and you’ll be hard pressed to find more than one person who knows how to use them of the 3 others in your group who have one when you need it in a heroic.
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Agree with OP, druids and pallies gaining a kick is just dumb.
Did you mean frost mage? Thunderstorm and earthbind root are better than nothing, but most classes have a way of re-closing any gap a shaman is able to create. In what ways does a shaman LoS someone that is different from other classes? LoS is LoS. Getting behind the pillar a millisecond faster with ghost wolf? Grounding totem is now on a 25 second cooldown. Congrats you juked a kick, too bad that cancel-casting costed you dps, now you’re at 40% hp and all you’ve done is apply flame shock. You connect with an impressive lava burst crit, taking Legolaskitty down to 75%, just before he kills you. Legolaskitty laughs at you.
Whether you are getting kicked or juking the kick, you are losing the dps race. Shaman rely on hard-casting more than other casters, and are disproportionately negatively affected by pallies and druids gaining a kick ability.
You can have my kick, give me back fear immunity when i pop berserk like wtf
Ele is definitely meh this expansion. Blizzard overcorrected them after they were so over-the-top in wotlk, they swung the nerf bat too hard.
But you arent the only caster than has this problem vs melee. Mages are the only class that doesn’t. The answer is for your teammates to peel for you. That hypothetical involving “legolaskitty” (cracked me up btw) could easily be stopped by having your teammates peel for you. You must have your partners peel for you going forward, in this expansion and every expansion that follows. Peels will solve your problem.
As a shaman, I am completely okay with this trade. Just don’t talk to those warriors and warlocks…
Yeah it does seem that way. At least elem are actually pretty damn good at peeling for others. Frost shock one guy, root another, knock another, hell–hex a 4th. Kick is just very powerful against any class that relies on hardcasts to do most of their damage, so we are really noticing the addition of feral and ret able to kick. Mainly feral, but I think literally everyone struggles vs feral rn.
Ret pallies are not bad because I can usually slow them before they get close, purge freedom, ground hoj, trinket repentance and I got em.
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Sounds like you’re doing things right!
LSP is still strong in cata and Affliction is so insane that it more than makes up for any shortcomings ele has. Having dispel protection, enemy rot, CC on different DR, and a powerful 70% cone snare from the Lock is pretty massive for ele.
sounds like a skill issue to me. Ever watched successful people do PvP with caster classes? Yeah, maybe take some notes
“Kicks” were given to most for PvE as thats the main purpose of the game. PVP is secondary. Learn to juke or bait with the wrong spell school. All those kicks never go away. They stay in the game going forward. git gud or don’t pvp.
Yes please remove the thing that gives non spell casters a fighting chance, what a great idea.
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I suggested the cooldown of kick be increased, not removed.
Use instants or use your own silence.
That is an excellent idea, this whole time I’ve just been standing their attempting to hard cast. Now ill be able to heal 1/10th of my hp in 2 gcds (riptide and unleash elements), then ill use my wind shear to kick the rogue so he can’t kick me.
googled some “cata resto shaman PvP gameplay” and watching footage where this isnt really an issue…
oh nice, some cherry picked footage showed this not being an issue. Thanks for the valuable input. From now on ill just not get kicked, like that guys in the videos you watched.
Did you not play the last 3 xpacs where sham had a ranged 6 sec kick? it got nerfed now to 15 sec unless you’re ele
Wrath players can’t keep up
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