These same people cry, and wail about moral absolutism? Yet, here’s a scenario where they expect it… ODD.
iirc the Draenei tried to warn the Orcs about the Burning Legion, but the Orcs either didn’t believe them or were already in the Legion’s pocket at that point.
You mean that time Durotan was a child and got taken in briefly by the Draenei and they didn’t mention anything about being on the run from demons?
Don’t see how that supports your arguement.
Can you name a single character in wow that states Dreanei should have warned the Orcs?
How is that relevant?
Its relevant because it assumes not telling the Orcs was a big mistake as you seem to argue for.
Blizzard has a habit of telegraphing their story so if Draenei not warning the Orcs was such a big deal you make it out to be surely someone would have mentioned something.
Even if its just a random nobody. Has anyone in warcraft ever considered not telling the orcs a mistake.
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Who cares if Blizzard’s writers think it was a mistake or not? It’s a plot hole they wrote into existence when they retconned there Eredari of Warcraft 3 to be related to the Broken.
Even if there are no NPC’s that recognize it, the Draenei had thousands of years that they could have been forging diplomatic ties with the Orcs and other races of Draenor. In that time they could have been fortifying them against the Legion and their deceit. Instead they chose to live in seclusion and keep their knowledge guarded from all outsiders.
Even if the Draenei were to argue that it was not a mistake to do so, it’s obvious that it was given it led to them being distrusted and feared by the Orcs which just made the Legions job of turning them against them all the easier.
Unless you want to argue their big mistake was when Velen helped Durotan. I don’t think that would have slowed Guldan much though.
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Alright so Blizzard themselves never fault the Draenei for not revealing the Legion to the orcs. Glad we got that out of the way, and btw they are the story teller so what they say is canon… thats why we should care imo.
So this question and efficacy of warning the orcs is purely subjective and a matter of opinion rather than facts.
To sum up you think warning the Orcs would have been beneficial.
I would argue otherwise, warning the Orcs would have just made Legions arrival that much faster.
It was a big risk and Velen decided to not gamble on it.
You can disagree but his decision wasn’t grossly negligent. He did the best he could and it wasn’t enough.
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Didn’t say that, but I’m not about to comb through every book and line of NPC dialogue to satisfy your irrelevant query.
How would actively working to prevent the Orcs being used as tools against the Draenei have speeded the Legions arrival?
You’re right, I can disagree. I can also disagree about the Draenei’s choice being grossly negligent because it was - to a fairly ridiculous degree. The Draenei knew how the Legion operated, how they sought to corrupt and subjugate a people to do their work for them, because that was exactly what they had done to their own people. To assume that they could just ignore the Orcs and they would not be a threat to them wasn’t just grossly negligent, it was stupidly conceited.
They didn’t take the Orcs seriously as potential allies, or a potential threat, and they paid for it.
Because all it takes is one orc to play around with fel magic and they would be instantly on them. As you recall the only reason Legion didn’t destroy them on Dreanor for hundreds of years is because they didn’t know they were there.
And on a meta level we know Blizzard wanted to tell the Dark Portal Orc Azeroth invasion anyway so that would have never been averted, thats where the story was going whether we liked it or not.
We also know Orcs (not all) would have joined the Legion anyway despite the warnings as we saw in WoD.
And I disagree with that. I think you have a lot of wishful thinking and plot conveniences that thinks just Orcs and Draenei were enough for the Legion’s attack.
They needed to get to Azeroth because thats where the Legion supposed to have been stopped.
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Follow that up with A Good War. Saurfang clings to the delusion of honorable combat. This sort of orcish war fetish fantasy. He knows Shatt was a despicable massacre, but longs to fulfill his fantasy of a good war.
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That’s the case even if the writers weigh in. The writers saying an opinion doesn’t make it fact. If the writers say, ‘red is the best colour in Warcraft’, that’s great and all, but doesn’t change anything.
Should they have done x.
Would it have been good if they did x.
This person is at fault for x.
These are opinions. Even if a character says them, it’d be opinions of the character.
X number of lives would have been saved.
X would have resulted in X.
These would be factual. But Blizzard rarely present things in such terms and are a bit different than the discussion. At that point it is more a perception of the facts.
This is a big assumption. Especially given that these events are primarily in the past and that Blizzard experiences wild inconsistency in aspects of their writing.