Really a better way would have been, ‘no, unless’ because you aren’t actually agreeing with the core concept of the question.
I’d say the first thing is a saving. But even then, it is at least an attempt. And this entire thing was about making an effort to save people.
The civilians were, per the quest, to be held shortly and questioned. If pamphlets are the standard, there’s no question these Night Elves knew there was an ongoing war in the region. This should be readily obvious to any near a battle.
Its not the panflets but the timing. Presumebly Lordanel was the last point of evacuation from the main content. Saurfang showed up in a surprise attack and his plan of escorting the civilians to safety was “Tell me what I want to know! Ok you can go now, I won’t kill you! Byeeee!”
We can disgree on this. I don’t view this as saving.
Stop being stupid? You quit being a blabbering pansy, and a complete idiot. The Orcs are introduced as evil in the setting, and they ARE expected to be free of sin from lots of posters Talkaar from WrA.
Being problematic by your own cultural standard isn’t something that’s going to be revived well, by other cultures who view mass slaughter as undignified, and reprehensible. Try again.
Well which is the issue, the amount of information or the timing?
Clearly the civilians knew there was an active war ongoing in the region. It seems hard to hold they did not have ample information to that effect either from witnessing it, but from their own government going to fight nearby.
As for time to act, the entire campaign took some amount of time to enact. There was fighting in Ashenvale, then the Horde was halted by a wall of wisps, then halted by a river. And once the battle finally got to the port and they were still there, there was an attempt to remove them.
So where is the ample information and time to act missing per the pamphlet bombing comparison?
Again, effort to save. Not even just saving.
But I’m just questioning your own logic.
Why do you think people are defending the Orks here?
Nothing says, I’m cool and metal like shirking blame, victim retention, and pouty dissatisfaction from conception onwards. And, I’m not talking about Sylvanas.
Both? Remember your initial point was that Saurfang/Horde were conducting rescue operations to save civilians.
Yes they knew there was a war coming but suddenly Saurfang and his forces arrive and begin killing anyone who resists and a random adventurer asks them questions and tells them they are free to go and they won’t be killed.
I wouldn’t say any of that involved saving. Essentially you are putting the onus on the Night Elves that can survive the Orcs onslaught to conduct the rescue operations because remember anyone organizing any sort of defense is targeted by Saurfang’s forces.
Again I don’t think the effort here is saving but sparing. Horde player spares the civilian from their own blade and tells them to go. If they wind up dead then thats their problem.
In what way are either less than releasing pamphlets before a bombing?
If you’re so stuck on your specific definition of saving, just remember this was all about ‘an effort to minimize loss of life’. That was the original contention.
Funny how they didn’t do this exact thing with Draenor.
In fact, they hid that reality from the natives for several hundred years. And it would be about 14 years or so before the Legion tried to take a genuine shot at Azeroth after the Draenei’s arrival; after some of the residents (any race that participated in the WotA, or 1st through 3rd wars) already knew of the Legions existence. And that it was an existential threat to keep an eye out for. Most of Azeroth in some form or another already knew b4 the Draenei arrived. The races of Draenor had no such insight into what was coming their way until it was FAR too late! With the first even attempt at a warning they got being AFTER the Legion had already found them and began perverting their religion, health, and world.
You warn people the best way you can, tell them where the danger is and tell them to get out before the fighting starts which you tell them approximately when it will happen. In my opinion this minimizes casualties. Its fine if you don’t understand it.
I think the intent being “get people out of harms way” is the goal here and Saurfang in my opinion did not make any efforts to do that.
“Don’t kill non-combatants” isn’t an act of saving, its the baseline criteria of not being a war criminal.
None of this is actually addressing the question, though. You aren’t explaining what about these pamphlets is different than the actions involved. Pamphlets don’t involve some detailed sketch of where all enemy formations will be at. And the Night Elves clearly knew the Horde were coming.
So actively taking civilians from a battle and removing them from said battle is not trying to lessen the likelihood they’ll die?
What in the world do you think Saurfang’s goal was then?
I don’t know how much more clearly I need to say that even though the Night Elves knew the orcs were coming the attack on Lordanel was a surprise and apparently NEs were helpless. If you still don’t understand the situation then I can’t do any better. Sorry.
How in the world could it have been a surprise if they knew they were coming?
The Night Elves needed the precise hour after days or weeks of fighting? (I don’t remember how long the campaign was specifically.)
I mean, I guess it fits if you think all the Night Elves are children.
There’s literally a battle going on around that you take them out of.
I think the intent being “get people out of harms way” is the goal here and Saurfang in my opinion did not make any efforts to do that.