So I got 1800 - NOT in Solo Shuffle

So 1800 is not all that great, but it is all that I wanted. Yet according to all you naysayers, I am bad, I hit my limit, I should get better and learn to play better, I should this and that and, you get the idea.

But yet, here I am, I found an arena partner who actually knew how to play and within a day, 1800, and the entire time our MMR was 2100+.

SS simply needs an overhaul to give healers a better game, which in turn lets more healers in, which in turn gives DPS a smaller queue, which in turn means DPS are not going to be angry and abusive when they lose because “This healer is bad”, and that also means us healers, we are not going to be whispered after the match is over and further abused because a DPS cannot hack it that they also lost.

And importantly that a healer going 3-3 is a net positive for both healers, it’s the DPS who could not carry themselves out. There is only so much a healer can do.

OK so because of MMR and DPS queues being SUPER high, it means you are inevitably going to get healers with a 0 rating being grouped with healers who have a 2K rating, but that also means DPS are in the same boat, with all the variances in MM it means it will be Goku vs Radditz, and not Episode 12 Goku either.

Throughout the last couple of weeks I have had way too many 3-3 games because one DPS is playing out of their league, and I don’t mean a low iLVL bad player, I mean one DPS who should be 2.4K+ rated going against someone who is new and there is almost nothing you can do as a healer.

Re-queue, go again, hope you eventually get that one game where the other healer is bad and you finally gain rating, then do it again, hours or days of queuing into 3-3 games for that one game to gain rating, but, you end up coming across a better healer and now all that effort, all those +5, +10, +20 games is gone because some new to SS healer shows up and is just better than you, but they are new to SS and have a 2K MMR, so now you go -50 points in rating.

All those wins, for nothing, because you win 10-20 points and lose 50. Yes, I have had many games in the past week where I was the only person in queue with a rating, the rest were all new, 2K MMR, 0 CR. Go 2-4 in one of those, -50 DKP.

But I am done, and hopefully none of my future mains ever have an elite set I want. And I am not the only one, over on R/WorldofPVP there are tons of people who are all admitting how bad it is, with the MMR, the constant 3-3 games and the abuse, there are tons of people who are just done with healing SS, it’s not worth it.

Speak of the devil and they will come.

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You did 2s I suspect?

Good job! I hope my recommendation to find a buddy and go for it in there played a role. It’s significantly easier when you can coordinate and communicate with a partner.

And you’re right about healers having little agency in SS. It’s a big issue atm.

Also take some heart in knowing that 1800 in 2v2 is a lot more significant than 1800 in SS. Anyone saying you’re “bad” is completely wrong. That alone probably puts you in the top 5% of WoW players PvP-wise, even if 1800 is only about the top 30% of PvPers.

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Uh oh, be careful when Snozy comes to tell you that you are wrong.

People tend to forget this, that even a ‘low’ 1800 is not actually low compared. Like how 3K in M+, at least before the iLVL rise, was also not low. You just have some who are really good at what they do, or like with SS players who only play DPS and are happy with a 45 minute queue.

At the end of the day I am happy I got this done, if nothing but to prove to Snozy that I can do it, even though they were adamant I was bad, and that yes, SS does make a huge difference and maybe they need to look at giving healers a break.

And yes, done in 2’s. So before any says anything, one person in one day is going to struggle hard carrying another in arena up to 1800, almost impossibly hard even for R1 players.

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I mean, if you want to be technical, I got carried to 1800 in a day by a very skilled holy pally back in BFA when I really wanted the elite mog on my warlock as the first time I ever tried to push for rating. Sure, I improved since then but claiming it’s hard to carry 2s is a bit weird to say.

Maybe it was different in BFA, I wasn’t doing arena back then. But now I can say, after getting to 1800 in 2’s, if I was any worse than I am now I doubt one person could carry me.

Yep. I remember seeing a debate about this on the PvP sub, and they concluded that any 1800 player is literally leagues above PvErs in a fight. I honestly believe that number is lower.

So, it’s hard, not impossible. I carried my friend who was brand new to healing in PvP to 1800 in an evening on my DK this season. But he also wasn’t bad, as in he had been at 2k in 3s before, just not for a long time.

It really depends on the person. A total drooling noob or even someone who is outright bad at the game would be hard to carry imo.

Wouldn’t underestimate how much an extremely skilled player can carry. I’m pretty sure a frequently 2.4k player could solo two 1.8k rated players if they had to, with or without a carry.

Congratulations on the achievement regardless.

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Honestly that depends on what they’re playing and what they’re playing against. Classes have a lot of immunities now.

1v2s and 1v3s were a lot easier when there was less bloat in the game

Classes also have a ton of CC, far too much if you ask me.

Solo Shuffle is the worst mode in the game- for healers.

Because you’re lumped in with DPS that don’t know basic positioning and whatnot.

Yeah, healers in there often don’t know things too, but DPS are supposed to defend their own.

They generally don’t, and play like they’re the anime protagonist main characters, like they’re gonna solo the entire team 1v3 with a single rotation.

Add the fact that every class has everything, every tool, and it’s a painful experience.

So yeah. I ditched it for BG Blitz and frankly cannot be happier lol.

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I had one dude over on another forum post basically tell me “I am the main character, you will follow me” and I don’t know if they were joking or not.

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I got 2000+ in Solo after like 10 games.

2s I barely got 1500 after like 20 games.

The mmr is wack, yo.

lmao.

Congratulations on 1800.

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Yeh it all depends on your initial placement after the first 10 or so games, if you get lucky you can get 2K easy in SS, if you get unlucky, or if you queue late in the season when MMR has been boosted multiple times, chances are you won’t make 2K due to how bad MMR is and that doesn’t help when there are no healers.

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Something is really going on there, too.

Had a fresh Resto Shaman alt I was trying out shuffle on, the character was unrated.

Not even 1000 rating yet.

And the lobby I’m put into? 1900-2100 players.

I got stomped lol.

Either there’s not enough people in the mode (healers) so it really throws them into any match it can just to satisfy queues, or MMR is extremely inflated.

I’m willing to believe it’s both.

Also I was told that other classes I had, were past 1800 in a previous season, so I had a higher internal MMR.

That honestly sucks for people trying out other classes.

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My main goal atm is getting 10 rated bg wins (Blitz counts) to unlock an MT appearence. 3 down, 7 more to go.

I’m just hoping those games are fast and easy.

lmao.

When this season basically started, I got a little boost from Oink, blasting through Blitz. It ended early because my nerves made me feel very ill. However, I was only 2 wins or so away from my elite set. I won those two games without his help because I learned SO much from playing with him, it was insane.

I didn’t hit 1800 yet on my DK because I kind of lost interest in PvP after a while, but I have barely any losses on that character and I was never carried by anybody on that character. 1650 CR in the 2100+ MMR range, at the moment, if I recall.

Never underestimate how much knowledge you can gain from playing with a super skilled player.

Literally this. The amount of DPS in the bracket that expect the healer to just follow them and subject themselves to ungodly amounts of CC is crazy to me.

Like, no, I can’t hold your hand all game. I’m not going to expose myself to fears and cyclones because you decided to zug the guy at 90% health around a post. Come back and wait for your CDs to be up like a normal player.

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Everyone starts at 2k mmr in shuffle.

Good work on hitting 1800!

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It’s both that there are no healers and because it takes so long for DPS to find healers their MMR is not being taken into account, so as a healer with your 2 second queue time you get lumped in with all rando DPS.

But also because they boost new players MMR as the season goes on to try and give them a better experience, but without healers it never is good because the queue will find anyone after long enough.