Ive done a few now and enjoyed the challenge. Looking at more people that pug, and disc oriented over holy.
Ive had some tanks still think they are in heroic.
Ive had pally tanks that required some major babysitting.
I did a lovely 2m pws
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I’ve done all 8 on my tank + healer. Tanks definitely aren’t unkillable machines anymore, but we all also don’t have our tier pieces. You definitely need some input from the healer because our self-heals are smaller than last expansion relative to hp.
The dungeons feel like they’re harder to heal, but they also gave us more tools to deal with it than before. Last time I played Holy was in DF S2 and compared to then I didn’t have Divine Word + Halo or Premonition and Divine Hymn also does way more healing than before.
Getting your 2-piece will make quite an improvement in M+ as well. Mana seemed to be fine so far, but the dungeons are still relatively short. So the TLDR is that dungeon healing feels hard, but not unreasonably hard simply because we have way more tools at our disposal then say DF S1.
Raid healing feels better in general. People spend a lot more time <100% so you have more of an opportunity to heal people and our overhealing is lower around 20-25% overall. The last couple of bosses on heroic are mythic level of healing difficulty due to how undergeared we are and it’s been fun. Heroic council literally had parts where the entire raid basically sits at 50-80% hp for 20s in a row even with 6 healers pumping.
In DF we overhealed around 40%+ so healing became a lot more of a sniping game. Archon Halo also feels pretty dumb in terms of healing output. Holy has a decent skill cap now in regards to knowing when to rotate all 3 of your raid healing cds because I’ve done fights where I’ve perfectly timed Salv + Hymn + Halo to reset all at the very end and I can just blow out 1mil hps.
It’s great. Multi class tank here. I like how everything feels right now. Hyped for the m+ season to start…
… The only thing I hate is that Siege of boralus dungeon… Who the hell thought that would be fun to have in rotation
As disc they area joke. Disc is very strong rn
Im Def Enjoying My Oracle Disc priest and the 1M, (2M crit shields ) on top of Premonition of Solace for another fat 2M shield.
Ive had some tanks try to pull multiple grubs in Mists the other night and yea that’s no longer a thing anymore, Tanks are def not unkillable anymore so Pacing is def going to play a role when it comes to tanks tanking. But overall Im enjoying myself
Did a quick PuG run of Necrotic Wake and I think they really nailed the balance. I was definitely kept on my toes, failing mechanics completely would delete one of the DPS, chain pulling too much was obviously out of the question. Things occasionally got spicy like missed interrupts on that sorcerer or some not knowing what to do with the cleaver throw.
Playing as Oracle I felt very safe with the throughput and very thankful for the extra premonition talents.
But… this is a Shadowlands dungeon and I’m not sure if it’s been updated to allow Psychic Scream to reliably interrupt casts. (I’m not even sure if fear effects still don’t apply to undead, or if that rule has been relaxed). I still really, really hate watching a cast go off and not being in a position to do anything.
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Disc is fine. I don’t understand why some of you are playing Oracle though. Voidweaver is much better, especially since it’s helping with damage a lot. And the healing is pretty comparable.
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M0s seemed easy. Beta honestly felt harder than the live release. I feel like I’ll mostly be feeling it around the +5 range as-is.
Big single target PW:S and a really strong rapture are pretty fun, basically.
I enjoy Oracle is this bad for Raids?
I feel like a god on archon spriest.
Because i find VW unrewarding playstyle wise. Its kinda a one trick pony. I find oracle a much more enjoyable playstyle
Edit. 2.7m pws.
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The dungeons just get outgeared pretty fast. If you’re in a good group you can clear some of these M0 dungeons in 15-18 minutes.
+5s will be a lot harder because you’re activating Tyrannical and Fortified at +4 and the scaling is double that of a m0. Some of the bosses are just going to farm pugs until they get nerfs imho.
The dungeons will be just healer + tank survivability checks more than anything.
I haven’t even tried Disc yet, but I’ve been enjoying Holy. I went Oracle at first because it looks cool, but Archon just pumps when your group sucks and makes a lot of mistakes, which is happening a lot since everything is new. Glad to see positivity here.
Oh yeah, I was talking about my runs on monday, which I went into with like 568 gear because I didn’t farm that much before this week. I just grabbed my keys and logged, basically. My runs yesterday were all very quick/easy because I’d gotten my bountifuls done and had some gear.
You can farm heroics for their crests (or fly through the orbs in the sky) and craft 590 epic gear so I and most of my guild had a full set before this week.
Then of course this week you get the bountiful delves and the chance for a map to get a free extra 610 piece as well. M0 gear can be upgraded with crests and I had a ton of those crests already (over 400). You can upgrade M0 pieces to 603 before you have to spend heroic raid crests.
Oracle disc is alright,but falls of so hard compaired to VW that its not even a choice. When damage starts to ramp up,and it will once the true season starts, oracle will be left behind by miles. Sadly there aint any real tuning nodes in oracle tree so there isnt a way to properly adress the issues unless they rework the tree.
But yeah Voidweaver is miles ahead its not even a question or choice
i guess its a “Each their own” i just dont like Voidweavers Design
Here are logs from me raiding as Oracle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TLdmBrpWcC3y8KkM#fight=1&type=healing
i lowkey had blast
Im in the same place. I like Oracle because it feels like disc of old, but ots just not tuned right.
In a better world i would be playing oracle in competitive content,but alas they need to introduce tuning nodes to the tree to make it close to voidweaver.
I also dont like voidweaver that much but in the content i have to play,i need to choose the better tree
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Thats Fair, the only thing i did notice that Oracle lacked was in the DPS Department, there isnt any Burst DPS unless you Use Ultimate penitence. but in the HPS department i feel is great, Im curious to see if and when they do a talent revamp what’s going to be changed cause there are plenty talents needing changed