So guess it's time to deal with the Purge

To you maybe not. I quite like. The Kirin Tor was the meta first mage organization of Azeroth. It should continue.

I guess it’s good if you like human flavored everything and very bad for anyone who likes other races.

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I think more coming together and playing nice would be a safe prediction (aka, more Dalaran supremacy) under normal circumstances, but I don’t know what kind of effect Metzen will/won’t have on how they approach capital F and lower case f factions.

Hear me out. Xal’atath is technically presenting as a blood elf right now, so maybe they’ll start a new Purge in the rubble of Dalaran against Aethas’ plushies, and that will pave the way forward for a split between Human and Elf magocracies.

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Arguing with Zerde is akin to playing chess with a pigeon. You might move the pieces correctly but the pigeon will just bat its wings, crap all over the board and sing victory anyway. It’s not worth your time. But I agree with you, there’s already too much human in the game. I’d love to see less human.

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The Kirin Tor is “human flavored”? The vast majority of its members are elves.

Zerde, you are wrong, deal with it.

I do not care what some misinformed individual wrote on wowpedia.

Wowpedia is, first of all, not an official source, it is not a lore source. Wowpedia is a site, that relays the lore, it is written by normal people, not lore officials.

Unless there is an actual lore statement or event, stating/showing the Sunreavers and the Silver Covenant as being Horde or Alliance respectively, then they are Kirin’tor.

Let me add additional points to my quote.

How does the Sunreavers “risk their neutrality” in Mists of Pandaria, if they are aligned with the Horde? The Horde is not neutral, the Kirin’tor is.

Why does the Kirin’tor council, have to agree to send an agent to Theramore to help against Garrosh’ siege, even if the leader of the Sunreavers himself agreed that sending help to Theramore would be the best option - why didn’t he just send a Sunreaver if he really believed that?

Ending point, being ‘aligned with’ does not necessarily mean ‘this faction is ‘faction’’ that is a misunderstanding of the english language and what is conveyed. They supported the Horde, when greenlit by the Kirin’tor council, that is ultimatively also ‘aligning’ with the Horde, but that does NOT mean, that they are a Horde faction.

The Sunreavers and The Silver Covenant are Kirin’tor factions, not Horde or Alliance faction. They will support either respective faction if greenlit by the Kirin’tor, but they will not act on behalf of Horde or Alliance if the Kirin’tor told them to stand down.

They are Kirin’tor sub-branches, not Horde or Alliance factions.

It should be simply to understand, and we do not see anything contra to this throughout the game.

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Basically that would return things to they way they were in Vanilla. A standing cold war with “incidents”. That would be justifcation for the new battlegrounds

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Heretic detected.

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Purge the heretic, the alien, the pineapple on top of pizza

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I don’t think of the Kirin Tor as purely human-flavored because it was also founded by High Elves, some of whom later became Blood Elves. That should make it one of the best examples of a truly cross-factional organization, with involvement on both sides going way back.

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Besides, two of its most famous members are Khadgar and Kalecgos. One human and one dragon aspect. Hardly qualifies as Human flavored. :dracthyr_heart:

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I do vastly prefer the idea of having multiple mage factions flavored to their own culture, but I suspect that it will be a lot easier for Blizz to keep one single mage organization for simplicity and thus that is what will happen.

The best I think I can realistically hope for is for Blizz to use this lowest point for the Kirin Tor as a lore reason to show them recruiting new members to build it back up while those members can keep more of their own cultural flair - or these other characters can remain ‘temporary associates’ instead of members, but now get an excuse to show up regularly when the Kirin Tor is involved in a story. This, unfortunately, I think has an equal or better chance of simply ruining the characters they involve, but it is one way to get them some time in the shared mage spotlight.

I’m thinking of something like the Kirin Tor planning some large magical project, but they lost enough high-ranking mages that they’ll need to request outside aid to be able to complete it. They could either get some new characters as recruits (a magistrix, a tidesage, an artificer, etc) or go ask existing mage characters for aid (Archmage Y’mera, Astalor Bloodsworn, etc - perhaps they even have to negotiate or beg Rommath to get him involved personally, so he can spend the whole time snarking at them. I see this as a 10% chance of being a great scene vs a 90% chance of ruining Rommath, but I really would love to see that 10% chance).

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I always support getting more Archmage Y’mera screen time.

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That absolute babe that is Thalyssra is sitting right there gathering dust, but go on about the Kirin’Tor I guess.

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Now if you char or smoke some of your pineapple and pair it with pepperoni instead, now we’re talking. Otherwise its off to the pizza gulag

Eh, I liked Thalyssra up until they made her piss her pants at the mere sight of Jaina and her Human Potential™.

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I will elect to not believe this

Human Kingdom of Mages is not human centric if you keep one token elf on the council, I guess.

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Oh, but it was TWO token Elves if we want to count the events prior to WoW. Kael’thas and Aethas have both been members of the Council in the past. Totally not human-centric at all :dracthyr_nod:

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I’d like to see more elves on the Council of Six too, but the makeup of the council is not the reason why I feel like it’s not a purely human city. It’s more about the lore, the architecture, and the NPCs.