Literally going to take 400 battleground games to get a full set of highest level PvP gear. Better fix this before launch. This is going to really really really hurt the PvP community.
edited to add video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1mc90urXvU&t=256s&ab_channel=Stoopzz_TV
orrrr you could go into arena and do the proper high end game pvp not random pug bgs and expect the best gear
Its the same for conquest gear my friend. A massive time gate
Says who?
Also, PvP gear has to start SOMEWHERE.
400 sounds easy compared to Vanilla ranking 
In the old days it worked best. Didn’t mind capping arenas for the gear, doesn’t mean I wanna do them all the time with this upgrade system. I enjoy battlegrounds and wpvp. Does not make me any less skilled in pvp.
Vanilla ranking has the context of lasting for an entire expansion.
If we’re talking about getting gear from bgs it should be in the context of obtaining gear in a timely manner to progress towards competing in ranked pvp for that season.
Gear progression for Pvp should be → levleing → quest gear → bg gear → Arena gear.
If bg gear is taking extortionate amounts of time, then bg’s aren’t worth using to get gear.
Which puts us back at square one. Pveing to gain the entirety of our gear so that we can then progress in ranked pvp. Because PvP gear has no benefits for PvP over pve gear. There’s literally no reason to wear pvp gear if it’s not good in pvp.
Kind of lame it’ll be so much easier to just face roll mythic 3-6 and gear up faster.
Even with the nerf to mythic + it’s a drop for the group every run, take 3 friends and run them all day, you’ll be much further along than anything in PvP.
added video which explains the numbers in detail
It looks like they are trying to create raid or die scenario. Mythic plus nerfed, then they dont want pvp to outshine raid gear easy either. Its back to square one and yeh its not fun not being rewarded well for the content you like to play.
They should just remove battleground gear at this point
Vanilla also didn’t have a ilvl bump across the board every couple of months. The proposed system for SLs does seem to be too drawn out.
They need to stop overthinking and overcomplicating things. They had the solution 6 years ago in WoD.
Blue honor comes from bgs, conquest comes from conquest and you can earn conquest EASILY from any PvP including losing skirmishers/bgs/wpvp/arenas/world quests, and no, don’t make conquest from bgs/skirmish/wpvp insanely low like it is in BFA. No rating requirements on any gear.
Now, you make the ilvls work this way:
Honor: 183 in PvE - > scales to 210 in PvP
Conquest: 200 in PvE - > scales to 220 in PvP
PvE gear above 220 - > scales down to 220 in PvP
We’ve had four years of “gear is gear” now. All it has ever meant is PvE gear is by far easier to obtain and superior in quality than PvP gear. If a player wants to enjoy a BG, their options are: get pummeled by raid/mythic+ geared players or hop on the PvE treadmill yourself. The system does nothing but ensure players spend the majority of their time raiding and spamming mythic+ regardless of how they actually want to play the game.
Which is why I quit BFA.
WoW is a TERRIBLE PvE MMO, one of the worst I’ve ever played(Only FFXIV is worse). I want to PvP, and I was able to until Legion, then Ion said “no”.
The ignorance behind this comment…
The truth is very simple. Shadowlands PVP is going to be BfA PVP 2.0
Run M+ and Raids for top gear and top items.
Smash low level BG, RBG, Arena to get your Conquest/Elite Gear (so you can ultra stack Vers) = win.
This means that EVERYONE who doesn’t already know how to do arenas well, or has a team, and knows the answers to comp questions will continue to stay completely away from anything pvp.
In short, the barrier of entry is now a fort knox wall. Again.
PvE raid trinkets are INSANELY broken again, and whoever gets lucky enough to get them first, will be king. simple as that.
Well nothing has changed. If you want to gear for PVP you will have to do mythic+ and raids. Over time you will slowly collect the PVP for mog since the item levels are trash. So Legion/BFA again. Atleast we have PVP trinkets back.
Which so far even with the buffs are a joke compared to Castle Nathria trinkets. Both Defensive and Offensive ones. You are just going to be cut out from groups if you don’t have a cheat death trinket, just like right now you are nothing in arenas without a Dres.
The worst part is that PvP should focus on SKILL, not gear.
But when Blizzard made a lame attempt to normalize gear, they did it HORRIBLY.
And so now… everyone has a knee-jerk reaction to normalizing gear by parroting “we did that… it didn’t work.”
Except it was NEVER DONE RIGHT. So no… we DIDN’T ever do it.
But now, everyone just babbles that phrase to the point we’ll never do it again. Which means PvP will never EVER work in this game. It will continue to wallow and languish in the cesspool that it generally always is because you can’t have meaningful PvP without BALANCE.
Or…you don’t buy SL and only sub now and again for holidays, mog/mount farming, whatever suits your fancy. That’s the option I’ve going with.