Lol. Reset the ladder. Integrity of the season is ruined. I was wondering why it felt like some Rdruids could just keep everyone at 100% with zero effort and others just fell over. Disgusting freaks cheating in a 20 year game on life support unreal
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How are they cheating?
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Was about to ask this. They still seem kinda just okay in shuffle from what I’ve seen so far, still seeing mostly priests, rshams, hpals though, not many mw or rdruid.
It’s late so my bad wasn’t thinking you’re probably talking about 3s
Do tell 
soul of the forest in tree buffs all ur hots perma
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Blossom burst from the new tree form benefits from soul of the forest without consuming it. Lots of VOD reviews being done exposing losers abusing it left and right. This isn’t something you can do on accident either. Normal non abusive useage of Soul of the forest usually dictates that you consume the effect right away.
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TLDR working as intended
Don’t think everyone is doing it, and I’m sure a LOT of people are doing it by accident, but it’s obv intentional at the highest level.
Stop it. People do NOT sit on soul of the forest in tree consistently. You likely wouldn’t even press swiftmend if you had Tree available. A lot of people press swift mend and then don’t press rejuv or regrowth the next global to make use the buff? A lot? That’s NOT normal gameplay. Why are you even saying this.
Not really sure how you don’t discover this playing rdruid more than 20 minutes
Dont worry it will take Blizz 2 years to fix it.
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No, man, the buff doesn’t get consumed. If at any point you swiftmend before or during tree, the hots applied from blossom burst & the other tree button (which is the only button you press during tree) have the SOTF buff. Also, swiftmend extends hots with verdant infusion, so you’re never gonna NOT press it if someone is being cleaved.
I’m not saying at the top end, but I see this ALLLLLLLL the time from low to relatively-high rating. People do it all the time because it’s an instant cast heal. I see that more often than not, tbh, on most of my alts when I Q btwn 18-2200 and there’s no way DannyDruid at 1800 with a 40% winrate is doing that on purpose.
Because I don’t think that a clearly unintended bug that happens as part of the healing rotation means that every druid is a cheater. It’s obviously being exploited at the top end, though, which I said earlier:
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The verdant infusion thing isn’t what the cheaters are doing though. They’re pressing swiftmend then tree then blossom burst. You’re bringing up a scenario where someone is trying to play fair and benefits from it on accident, but it’s not an interaction that is happening as often as the one Im bringing up. There’s no shot that’s happening a lot. And you should know that. And if you’re going to reference lower CR Rdruids I’m pretty sure MOST would simply spam Blossom burst outright
It could be accidental even when the rdruid uses ancient of lore immediately after swiftmend. If the druid needs big instant heals and only has 1 charge of NS, they might want to use that charge on ancient instead of regrowth.
Of course when druids know about this bug, they are more likely to use it intentionally. Blizz should obviously fix it. I would prefer they balance their game when stuff is not bugged. They can even fix the astral influence range bug for ancient spells when they fix this sotf bug.
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Wdym? They’re doing both. If you press swiftmend, then blossom burst, it doesn’t consume the sotf buff, but gives the benefit of sotf. SOTF only gets consumed by a rejuv or regrowth. People aren’t gonna NOT press a core rotational ability (swiftmend) to extend full hots, especially if things are being cleaved.
What I’m stating is that you can’t avoid the bug without NOT pressing a core healing ability.
No, I think that EVERYONE benefits from it at some point during ancient of lore because it’s almost always good to swiftmend to extend your hots.
Dude, it happens ALL the time.
No, man. Anyone who plays resto druid will tell you that if more than one target is being hit, you’ll want to extend your hots with swiftmend.
I’ve been VERY clear that people at the top end are intentionally aware of and min/maxing this buff, but also basically every druid is going to do it at some point or another.
Sam went through vods of their last Q sessions and, while some druids consistently did it every time, EVERY druid had it up 50-75% of the time.
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Most druids literally save NS for tree form and use it for healing and/or to avoid cc.
Again, it’s obviously a bug, some people are obviously exploiting it intentionally, but the only way to avoid the bug is to literally heal suboptimally or not take a strong talent.
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My focus is directed at the people who have the SOTF buff on, don’t consume it, then enter tree. At that point you have zero plausable deniability at least in my opinion. I misunderstand what accidental use you were referring to. I thought you meant people were consistently misusing SOTF across all ratings on the ladder on accident
Oh, yeah, then it’s OBVIOUSLY intentional, unless they use tree form to avoid cc; which happens, but is far more situational (and easily visible).
I mean, people do use sotf suboptimally all the time, but the situation you just described that I quoted above is a pretty clear example of knowing about the bug and min/maxing it on purpose.
I just don’t want people to misunderstand and think that any druid who ever presses swiftmend and uses tree form is a cheater XD
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I reported this bug in pre-patch, and then again the 1st week of the season. I’ve also made several posts about it.
I just assumed at this point it was intentional and how the mechanic/interaction was supposed to work, as obviously nothing has been done on blizzards end and this bug has existed for over a month now
Btw, it’s the same for jackpot procced hots even outside of AoL. Although this is less easy to take advantage of/play around, can create scenarios where the person is just immortal if they have 2x sotf hots ticking on them
Just so I get this straight, should rdruid be tuned in a way where they just fall over? Should rdruid not be allowed to keep their team alive? It seems like rdruid falls into a spot similar to hunter where they have such a strong bias against them, that anything more than completely unviable dumpster-tier is just going to result in endless complaining. There’s prob no winning solution here, because in your mind, druids entire team should just fall over every time when they get stunned?
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Lol classic blizzard have bugs reported on the bug forums and then they just don’t read the reports or don’t know how to fix them.
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