So why exactly did she decided to join the Jailer?
If anything the cinematic heavily hinted that she was terrified of the Maw and its powers, seeing it has a treat that had to be contained.
Hell the whole reason she started the rebellion was cause the Archon refused to act and deal with the Lich King who had the power of the Maw, and helped Uther in his quest for revenge against Arthas claiming he should be sent back to the darkness he served.
Idk everything pointed out that she heavily disliked the Maw and its power.
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It’s never explained. I think it’s just extremely poor writing…
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Well, let’s see. She meets Uther who shows her something that indicates a weapon made in the Maw exists outside of both the Maw and the Shadowlands. That would seem to indicate that despite the plan put in place to contain the Jailer, he has managed to circumvent that plan and influence life in the mortal worlds.
She goes and tells her boss and her boss doesn’t believe her. Given she has no proof at that moment, it’s not entirely an unreasonable response. But rather than gather information to highlight the danger she goes off, disobeys her boss, grabs Uther, basically corrupts him and quits her job.
Then, for reasons known only to her, she goes to work for the very person causing all the trouble.
If anyone can explain her logic, I’d love to see it. Only thing I can think of is that the Jailer managed to corrupt her as well, something that has happened in the past in other expansions. Look at Cordana Felsong.
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Betsy DeVos is in cahoots with the Jailer? That explains so much.
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Also, aren’t the Kyrian going about their job knowing full well the system is broken?
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Well they are planning on changing their ways based on the Campaign
I concur that it’s just poor writing because they couldn’t be bothered with nuance. The Forsworn should have been a tertiary faction unhappy with the Kyrian’s robotic, unbending methods instead of working directly for the Jailer. We don’t even get the sense that they’re simply manipulating the Jailer in their own right to obtain power from him, nor that the Jailer is capable of brainwashing or mind control. They’re simply siding with their enemy just because the Archon wouldn’t listen to them. Makes zero sense narratively.
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Ah, I haven’t done the end game bastion campaign yet, only the leveling part
I can see why she would question the situation but it feels like the Forsworn do a complete 180 because apparently if you’re not willing to be brainwashed you’re a bad guy that is ready to kill people who are.
I agree that it is a bit poorly written but I am hoping there’s more to the story that explains it all.
But yeah it is good they’re planning to change.
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From this weeks Kyrian campaign, a lot of the Forsworn, including Uther, were manipulated into siding with the Jailer.
It seems that Lysonia, Devos’s Hand was the main reason that the Forsworn started siding with the Jailer.
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Devos never made any sense to me…
- She learns of how the Jailer/Maw threat is invading/influencing the moral world through Uther. She recognizes immediately that this is bad.
- She proceeds to inform the Archon so they can put a stop to the jailer/maw. but is shutdown.
- So rather than go against the Archon to try to stop the jailer/maw on her own, she instead proceeds to join forces with the jailer (this makes absolutely zero sense).
#3 100% zero sense… it would have been better writing and make sense if she rebelled against the Archon, however was also trying to stop the jailer… but the fact that she joined the jailer, made zero sense especially since seeking to put a stop to the jailer is what originally sparked her rebellion against the rules of the Archon/Kyrian.
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Yeah but Devos was her superior and the first on to know of Arthas, everything points out she started it, Lysonia simply continued with her quest
I’m surprised she was able to be swayed so easily as well. From the quests they make it seem like those who become Ascended and above have spent so much time being trained/re-programmed/brain washed etc., it would be hard for one of them to turn so easy at that stage.
We’re definitely missing a crapton of context.
In the Kyrian campaign after we rescue Uther from the Maw, he basically says he never wanted any of this and it’s heavily implied that the rank and file forsworn don’t serve the Maw willingly.
Next week is the last mission in the campaign, so if we don’t have proper context on why the Forsworn went from a group of Kyrians looking to reform the system to pawns of Helya and the Jailer, we probably never will.
Well that’s the most understandable thing about Devos and the other Forsworn. They’ve spent hundreds, if not thousands, if not millions of years having who they are revolve around the immutable truths of the Shadowlands.
When you’ve got as rigid an identity as that, the simplest crack within that will shatter it completely. The Path is supposed to be perfect and the Path says that the Maw is inescapable.
But if Uther, a mortal who could have never even known about the Maw dies to a wielder of it’s power, that means the Path is wrong because the Maw is not inescapable.
And if the Path is wrong about that, then the entire identity of the Kyrians which relies on the infallibility of the Path is flawed.
That’s the most understandable (and interesting) part of the Forsworn. The premises of their argument is completely correct, the ways of the Kyrian are flawed and they must be changed.
The headscratcher is why they’d sign up to work with the Maw itself.
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For me it’s just their ability to even think differently at that stage I’m hung up on. The quests made it seem like after training they were just emotionless bots.
I assume the Jailer is good at finding weaknesses\biggest desires and exploiting them.
People have pointed out that both Sire Denathrius and Sylvanus were promised different things by the Jailer so whos to say exactly what he told Devos?
If I had to guess he played up the justice aspect hard.
It didn’t make any sense whatsoever
I actually was surprised that she became the enemy and we fight her
She should have rebelled and tried to find a way to diminish the reach of the jailer, not join him
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