Nope. I have no desire to do M+.
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Nope, just wait for them to decay. Sucks I can’t just toss them.
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I already do M+ with my guild, so for me, it was sort of a chicken out. I really want to get back into feeling good about pugging, and I was determined to try.
We did some baby key alt runs with four guild mates and one added pug. The first three were great, but the 4th one, the guy was exactly the kind of player I stopped pugging to avoid. Absolute equine back end.
So. I don’t know. There is a poisonous hostility simmering right at the surface with so many of the people who play this game. They are hair trigger temper tantrums waiting to happen, and there is no consequence for acting that way unless they use certain keywords, you know?
So. Nah. The three good ones were lovely. They really were.
Edited to add: and by “good ones,” I don’t mean the most skilled or best performing players. Two of the three good runs were with a fifth man pug who didn’t do nearly as much damage as our people, but what mattered was the effort and the attitude. One of them in particular, we lamented not friending the guy before the end of the dungeon. Awesome dude, and we would have loved to play with him again. I love M+ but the community has gotten very hit or miss…and the misses are just worse and worse as we go on.
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Nope.
It’s going to take more than breadcrumb to make even think about engaging with that cess pool.
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I think if you delve, you would only touch M+ if you felt inclined to touch M+, the ultimate goal is to find your happy place.
What makes you happy, if gear ilvl and power is your happy place then you must push M+ or Mythic raiding, the cost is that you must also sacrifice your time.
If gettign more powerful but at a cap and at your own pace, then Delves is there.
WHAT IS YOUR HAPPY PLACE!?!?!
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I despise content with timers. Blizzard can’t make me run M+. I put that stupid keystone in my bank to let it rot and abandoned the quest. I’ll keep doing that every week.
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I’m always chickening out when doing M+. I once tried to join groups that were mostly Latin American server players in the hopes I wouldn’t be able to understand what they were saying in chat, and they swore at me in Portugese and I was still able to understand it 
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Oh wow, that’s too funny.
Props to you for giving it a try though.
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I’m glad you stepped in. If anything, we need more folks like your 4-stack. All because you’re exactly right. There’s plenty of folks in M+ ready to explode on any little detail.
I’m not a pro M+'er by any means but I usually score KSH (And probably not KSL this round). Then once I do I’ll go pay it forward with carries in the lower brackets.
It’s more for me than them but I can’t help but sympathize with all those DPS sitting there waiting forever for players for whatever reason (And those reasons can be questionably… unethical).
Even then, there’s so little comradery to be found in random M+. Even with the carries I rarely get a thank you or “Hey can we go again?” Folks blip and move on. The mode needs more social bodies.
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I got KSM on accident lol
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You’re gonna have to fill this comment out a bit mate.
How’d that happen?
Agreed. We really scolded ourselves for not friending this guy (from Mal’ganis server, which is not in our server group, so we couldn’t find him after to message him).
We chose to run our 4-stacks with one of our other main healers on his tanking alt. He wanted to learn tanking, so we ran a bunch of +2-+4 keys with him tanking. Mind you, this guy has done all of these dungeons 100 times as a healer on 10+, so he was doing fine. Honestly, he was doing great. He wasn’t perfect, but he did very well. He made a mistake on the second boss, and pug guy lost his mind.
On I’pa in Meadery, he didn’t have the movement down right away. Pug died and boss wasn’t far enough away from the adds, so we had two blobs reach the boss and we wiped. We’d done everything else flawlessly up to that point, and it absolutely was still in timer territory. I’ve been in much worse Meadery runs that still timed, but pug guy dropped group immediately with a nasty set of comments first. We 4-manned’ it up to bee boss, but you really need five people in there. The total willingness to be a jerk in a key that doesn’t even matter outside of learning…and this from a guy who probably bemoans having to wait for tanks in a queue.
Anyway. Very normal, very common circumstance in a low key run, but there is zero tolerance for mistakes from others. There is no lenience for learning in baby keys (which is the only place anyone can learn how to M+, no matter how many people come in here and say bUT fOlloWEr DunGEoNs). Until people learn how to be decent, the tanks and healers will continue to hide in guild only groups and the pugging pool will still be populated mostly with maladjusted types who can’t get along with other people long enough to finish a half-hour content mode.
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I doubt that considering there aren’t new players in this game anymore its pretty much all older players.
I had a player in my +7 the other day constantly harass the tank to pull more. I get it, it’s a +7, there should be some knowledge of mechanics/routes.
At the same time, if the tank doesn’t feel confident to tank like that, then who cares? A 1-chest is still a timed key.
The key died before we even hit the first boss. The dude moved on. I gladly reported. This is random M+ we’re talking about. Expecting players to do anything outside of 1-chest is on the expecting party, not the other 4 players.
I think the hard reality here is it’s on us to heal this. Blizz could take action but they won’t. I see it all the time and gladly report but I’m just one person. The sweat lord behavior isn’t something I can tackle alone.
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I have not but I’m curious to know if you get the quest again after completing it and what are the rewards?
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I’d definitely had run m+ 10 years ago when I was less broken. It is fun with friends and I can complete the content. However, it hurts my hands too much because it is far more non-stop than delves or raid, both of which have far more opportunity for rest/downtime.
So, no, I didn’t bother.
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Yep. That tracks.
6-7 is one of the most venomous tiers because you have the players who cannot or at least have not done 10’s trying to get their one M+ in at 6 b/c that’s the first level to reward a Hero track vault item.
I would say that for anyone who wants to get cozy with M+ via pugging, my best piece of advice is to stay in the +2-5 range until you know them all very, very well. Gear is not the issue. If you have never M+'d before, you need to stay down in the baby key range long after the gear becomes irrelevant because in my limited experience, the people in the 2-5 range are much more patient and likely to be kind. You need to stay down there until you know the dungeons thoroughly, which introduces another problem.
There are definite brackets/tiers of difficulty in M+. 2-6 is honestly a cakewalk for anyone who has the requisite gear and knows a little bit about pushing the buttons. It is also very forgiving at that level b/c a lot of the mechanics that will insta-wipe your group later can be shrugged off or glossed over with a good healer or by outgearing the content (which a lot of delvers, for example, will easily do).
Once you get to about +8, stuff starts hitting much harder. Mob packs and boss fights take longer. Taking avoidable damage will start to punish your group in ways you could just ignore back in the 6-keys. Failing to interrupt the correct things or CC the correct mobs or position the boss in the right way will begin to punish your group.
So…you can learn M+ to a point in 2-5 keys, but then you move up in difficulty and you find a whole new set of things to learn. Same when you reach +10. The difference between a +9 and a +10 is another obvious difficulty jump.
My point is: these things require patience and tolerance for anyone to learn, and for players who are new to the mode, the negativity and hostility is THE ONLY reason most will quit. They will blame it on the timer, but the timer is immaterial. It’s not the reason. People are like this to each other in every pugged/queueable content mode.
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Nope, but I went with friends.
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I hear that, my hands have taken a beating.
Boxing, firing way too many guns in military, landscaping etc have all beaten my digits to hell and back.
My Mum gave me some arthritis gel to use for when it gets bad.
I don’t do pain killers, but the gel (Voltaren) helps on bad days.
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As a M+ player it made me do a delve.
Never again 
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