Not that it should be any surprise, as even at the times they said it, it was far from believable...
However, Blizzard staff said on a number of occasions that they did not have any of the previous versions of WoW so legacy servers could not exist.
well... https://blizzardwatch.com/2018/11/06/wow-classic-interview-dives-sharding-transmog-wall-jumping-concerns/
For me, it's not the fact that they had the original code and versions all along... it's the fact that blues flat out lied to us all this time.
It boils down to a trust factor... what else have they/are they lying about?
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11/06/2018 08:15 AMPosted by LeafhoofIt boils down to a trust factor... what else have they/are they lying about?
And WHERE did they say what you claim they said?
OF COURSE they had the original code, only amateurs like Origin Systems LOSE source code, what's clear from that article is that IT CAN'T RUN ON MODERN SYSTEMs, meaning the code is useless as a base to create a usable game!
From the Dev Watercooler -
"Once we had our starting point, we began taking stock of what we had in the source code and what we could make available, which included restoring the original development database from archival backups. After stitching various key pieces together, we had a locally rebuilt version of Patch 1.12 running internally."
The problem is that the original game code would be too difficult to integrate into their current systems and such.
"Once we had our starting point, we began taking stock of what we had in the source code and what we could make available, which included restoring the original development database from archival backups. After stitching various key pieces together, we had a locally rebuilt version of Patch 1.12 running internally."
The problem is that the original game code would be too difficult to integrate into their current systems and such.
11/06/2018 08:21 AMPosted by TrollingyouAnd WHERE did they say what you claim they said?
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20042885101#post-1
11/06/2018 08:21 AMPosted by Trollingyou11/06/2018 08:15 AMPosted by LeafhoofIt boils down to a trust factor... what else have they/are they lying about?
And WHERE did they say what you claim they said?
OF COURSE they had the original code, only amateurs like Origin Systems LOSE source code, what's clear from that article is that IT CAN'T RUN ON MODERN SYSTEMs, meaning the code is useless as a base to create a usable game!
I concur. OP do you expect an original physical Atari game to work on a PC?
I think this is a case of the answer not being as simple as the statement and folks taking it a little too literally.
Most people with any knowledge of software development would know that there are backups created and stored each time a change is made. The code was probably stored somewhere.
But that code was largely useless. So many bugs and exploits were found and later fixed that there was no 100% pure version that they could release as is without huge game-breaking flaws.
Remember that many of the older exploits have been well documented over the years and could potentially go into the game if they aren't careful.
There is also the problem of the hardware it was designed to run on is obsolete and was auctioned off several years ago.
So I've never taken that statement completely literally- I had a feeling the answer was not able to be that simple. They are not able to just unzip some archive, put it on a machine and turn the power on and be finished. There is a lot of work to make this possible and at the time when they said "they didn't have the code" it was more "they didn't want to spend the resources to get the code in a usable state."
Now they do have the resources and the demand and I'm pretty excited from a technical standpoint to see if they can pull this off.
Most people with any knowledge of software development would know that there are backups created and stored each time a change is made. The code was probably stored somewhere.
But that code was largely useless. So many bugs and exploits were found and later fixed that there was no 100% pure version that they could release as is without huge game-breaking flaws.
Remember that many of the older exploits have been well documented over the years and could potentially go into the game if they aren't careful.
There is also the problem of the hardware it was designed to run on is obsolete and was auctioned off several years ago.
So I've never taken that statement completely literally- I had a feeling the answer was not able to be that simple. They are not able to just unzip some archive, put it on a machine and turn the power on and be finished. There is a lot of work to make this possible and at the time when they said "they didn't have the code" it was more "they didn't want to spend the resources to get the code in a usable state."
Now they do have the resources and the demand and I'm pretty excited from a technical standpoint to see if they can pull this off.
Neither of the sources above indicate that Blizzard said they didn't have it. The difficulty apparently has been in porting it to newer software, OP if you have any evidence that Blizzard claimed not to have the code, please post it. Otherwise, this seems to just be another case of someone posting slander before checking sources.
I do not think any company close to blizzard size would have lost the WoW files, if they had it would have been a huge company disaster.
But i have seen players say it over the years, but i do not think i have ever seen any one from the company saying it.
But i have seen players say it over the years, but i do not think i have ever seen any one from the company saying it.
It is a game. Get over it.
Btw, your parents lied to you too, Santa isn’t real.
Btw, your parents lied to you too, Santa isn’t real.
11/06/2018 08:27 AMPosted by Leafhoof11/06/2018 08:21 AMPosted by TrollingyouAnd WHERE did they say what you claim they said?
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20042885101#post-1
That link doesn't support your claim of them claiming the code is missing or lost. Did you just grab a random thread and figure nobody would check it?
11/06/2018 08:27 AMPosted by Leafhoof11/06/2018 08:21 AMPosted by TrollingyouAnd WHERE did they say what you claim they said?
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20042885101#post-1
Didn’t see a blue post in that thread...
Blizzard lies all the time OP. Where were you during WoD? Honesty and integrity are 2 words this company doesn't live by, especially if you post a negative comment or downvote something.
I don't recall them ever saying they didn't have the original code, only that it would be rather difficult to integrate old code into current computers.
Someone has an unhealthy pathological urge to try to attribute sinister motives to Blizz.
The OP's post is just like many of the political ads and speeches seen daily for the last few months. Spun to portray extreme negativity on their opponent without any real facts or valid analysis to back them up.
The OP seems to view Blizz as such an opponent.
The OP's post is just like many of the political ads and speeches seen daily for the last few months. Spun to portray extreme negativity on their opponent without any real facts or valid analysis to back them up.
The OP seems to view Blizz as such an opponent.
Blizzard never said they didn't have the code. They had the code.
What Blizzard said, once upon a time, is that they did not have all of the old textures/graphic assets. So like, the Vanilla grass, they didn't store/keep the old one when they made new grass resources, because who would've thought at the time that anyone would've wanted to USE them again?
This is true. There has been no lying. Congratulations on being part of the reason we get very little blue interaction anymore, though.
"YOU SAID..."
"I AM GOING TO YELL ABOUT YOU LYING NOW, TWISTING EVERYTHING YOU SAID TO MEAN WHAT I WANT IT TO..."
What Blizzard said, once upon a time, is that they did not have all of the old textures/graphic assets. So like, the Vanilla grass, they didn't store/keep the old one when they made new grass resources, because who would've thought at the time that anyone would've wanted to USE them again?
This is true. There has been no lying. Congratulations on being part of the reason we get very little blue interaction anymore, though.
"YOU SAID..."
"I AM GOING TO YELL ABOUT YOU LYING NOW, TWISTING EVERYTHING YOU SAID TO MEAN WHAT I WANT IT TO..."
They are not bringing classic back, they are recreating all assets to emulate it. Basically.
Of course they had it.
11/06/2018 09:44 AMPosted by ÆxThey are not bringing classic back, they are recreating all assets to emulate it. Basically.
Yes! This is what they said was the barrier to them doing this, once upon a time, their reason for not giving us classic all these years. Because they have to recreate all of the assets. Back then, it wasn't feasible. Now? It's feasible, because they have the money / staff / technology improvements to make it that way.
For folks who don't know what "assets" are, it's not actually the code that makes the game work. It's like, a mushroom, or a building, or the texture they use for the grass or a brick wall or whatever. At some point, Stormwind's walls were given updated bricks. When they put the updated bricks in, they wrote over the original bricks with new code, and they didn't save the old stuff because they genuinely had no concept that it would have any value.
The game and technology has changed a fair amount in 14 years. They were never going to simply slap it on an old server and fire it up as-is.
And as pointed out, of course they kept backups. But they still have to go back through the old code and resources to see how they can make everything work.
And as pointed out, of course they kept backups. But they still have to go back through the old code and resources to see how they can make everything work.
11/06/2018 08:32 AMPosted by Kimmiroa<span class="truncated">...</span>
And WHERE did they say what you claim they said?
OF COURSE they had the original code, only amateurs like Origin Systems LOSE source code, what's clear from that article is that IT CAN'T RUN ON MODERN SYSTEMs, meaning the code is useless as a base to create a usable game!
I concur. OP do you expect an original physical Atari game to work on a PC?
Yet the EMU community runs original WoW versions on their recreated server software. I guess some scattered part time coders are more proficient than paid developers. It's not that it can't be done, it's that they chose not to do it that way.
There are pros and cons either way, but most of the classic community really wants the pure as a chaste virgin original game experience. They'll never get it even on pure servers and clients because that time has come and gone, but they'll get it even less on a hacked Legion core that tries to mimic classic.
Yes, you can actually run your original Atari games on your PC.
http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/a2600/