What is the plan exactly here? I get the new system but how are you going to handle the next content? Are we going back to 60 to 70 for the expansion after that and then 70 to 80? I wish someone would ask that question at Blizzcon because if we are no stuck forever at 60 the level squish means nothing and is just a gimmick.
From what I see we will never move from level 60 but an alternate side system may come along as in 60.10 then 60.20 or maybe something like level 60 copper, iron, silver, gold etc
There are tons of creative ways to present progression without changing the top level but what I want to know is if the squish is just temporary or if they have thought about it for the long run.
Maybe? If we go 2 year expansions and 10 levels per expansion, level 100 is still almost 10 years away.
I don’t think they’ll ever do “side” leveling, leveling is far too important for allowing stat resets and ensuring that we can continue gear progression without secondary stats getting out of hand.
The purpose of the current level squish was to ensure that you get something every level, something that simply isn’t possible with the current system. But how they approach it in the future is unknown.
After Shadowlands, will we go back to getting 1-2 new abilities ontop of our current kit each expansion like we used to do? Will we eventually get to the point where we need a prune again?
We barely know anything about Shadowlands class design in the first place, that’s been talked about tomorrow, and how they approach it in the future is something we’ll be far better equipped to understand at least by next blizzcon once the expansion is out.
I like my theory that whatever you do in the land of the living stays as is, when you die and go to the Shadowlands your “ghost” starts back at level 1 and grows back up to level 60. So your Azeroth self, be it level 1 to 120 stays that way and have a separate level system for Shadowlands. It could also allow characters at any level jump into Shadowlands without having to get to a specific level to see the content.
From what I understand every new expansion will be added to the new 10-50 leveling choice. This means that for the next expansion Shadowlands will be in the 10-50 with BFA and a new character could level only in BFA or Shadowlands without never have been to any old zones.
As new expansions are added they join BFA and Shadowlands for 10-50. Lets say the expansion after Shadolands is called OldGods… your character is scaled back to 50 and then has to conquer OldGods upon which in the end you are level 60. Next expansion, OldGods joins BFA+Shadowlands and we get another expansion were again we revert to 50.
But they said that new players start at 1-10 in the same zone then have access to all other zones then you get to shadowlands after you reach 50 which means you are not dead and you could have only levelled from 20 to 50 in BFA
wish I saw the video im watching before I pre-ordered. fyi blizz if I wanted to play a lvl 60 toon again id just go play classic. so stupid deleveling us like they are doing and so pointless… OMG BIG NUMBERS IM SCURD!!!
After having played EQ2 where it’s kind of tradition to go numerous expansions with no level cap increase… yeah we don’t want secondary stats to reach that level of craziness where bare minimum dps means you have 20000 crit chance which equates to about a 20% chance for a “fabled” crit, and 5000 haste to give us multi attacks and flurries and double and triple casts.
I looked at it like this.
If they were comfortable going to 120 in the past, they probably are again today.
But they weren’t comfortably going to 200, just because there was way too many gaps in between the level purpose.
Maybe the plan is to keep the max level 60 always, but that’s like 3 years away, so for now, its my assumption that the “squish” concept will just work like the other ones.
A temporary fix to the growing concern of high numbers.
More important are the changes to leveling that are coming alongside it.
Ini my opinion this is the start of wow 2. They are redoing everything on the side as an expansion and packing all the old content under one general choice of zones for 10-50.
They’re adding old expansions to 10-50 as part of the scaling system, not as a feature of this expansion.
Kinda like how they changed what levels you could go to Northrend in when they changed the system.
The point of the squish is purely to accommodate new class systems and whatnot, presumably along the lines of Classic to Cata Talent trees. Unless they’re thinking 4-5 expansions ahead, which is completely possible though unlikely, I doubt they’ll to be too concerned about the level bloat after Shadowlands.
I don’t think they’ll continuously reset it to 50. It’ll probably be more along the lines of the damage squish where they just do it when it gets out of hand.
Blizzard is never, ever going to make another MMORPG, especially not a “WoW 2”. Anything like this would compete with WoW, and if WoW failed, it’s not because “the game is too old”, it’s because MMORPGs just aren’t working anymore.
People have been asking for WoW 2 since before Cataclysm, and it typically all comes down to “hey I want better graphics.” Well, there are other MMORPGs out there if cutting edge graphics are critical for you to enjoy a game.
Hopefully they will learn a lesson and make each subsequent expansion only add 5 levels, would allow more expansions before another level squish would be needed.
My guess is that they’ll just repeatedly bump our characters back to 50 and add the outgoing expansion to the 1-50 pool. No reason to go beyond if they don’t intend to ever give us more than the current talent rows + rental power, which is what Ion said was the future way back in Legion.
leveling feels really trivial/pointless at the moment, ilvl is getting horribly inflated due to it as well. Or thats what it feels contributes to these massive numbers we have now
yea i think so blizzard will launch classic tbc after shadowlands and thats a lvl 70 cap so the next expansion will match it.then classic wrath mite happen and they can raise the cap to lvl 80.