So, after Pen and Paper lost to Sap

Is blizzard going to finally look at rogues?

They just have too much stuff, overloaded class.
If you watched what happened you know what I'm talking about.

There was no safe out.
10/29/2018 05:40 PMPosted by Beps
Is blizzard going to finally look at rogues?

They just have too much stuff, overloaded class.
If you watched what happened you know what I'm talking about.

There was no safe out.
No. They lost because nothing that mistweaver has works while stunned, and we have zero protection against it.
Ya that was a perfect example of why MW needs to be able to use fortifying brew while cc'd
If you have to rush a teammate into combat with a HoT to counter sap, it's just not fair.

If he wasn't sapped, the rest of that CC chain could have been countered.
That sap gave the rogue 7 seconds of free damage. They have too much CC, and sap isn't fair.

I don't care if its been part of the kit forever, the only counter play feels like a cheese, rushing into combat isn't rewarding.
Buff sub nerf sin
10/29/2018 05:57 PMPosted by Beps
If you have to rush a teammate into combat with a HoT to counter sap, it's just not fair.

If he wasn't sapped, the rest of that CC chain could have been countered.
That sap gave the rogue 7 seconds of free damage. They have too much CC, and sap isn't fair.

I don't care if its been part of the kit forever, the only counter play feels like a cheese, rushing into combat isn't rewarding.
You realize they killed him in a hard swap that literally deleted him in 2 seconds right? Sap controlled to do damage to his partner, but that had no effect on him literally being deleted from the arena.
10/29/2018 05:40 PMPosted by Beps
Is blizzard going to finally look at rogues?

They just have too much stuff, overloaded class.
If you watched what happened you know what I'm talking about.

There was no safe out.


What ever do you mean? A kill in every kidney shot they do is fair and balanced and takes alot of skill. You just are not good enough, use your trinket every 20 seconds like a real pro psssht. Envenom, marked, envenom is a hard rotation to kill man.
10/29/2018 06:02 PMPosted by Fox
10/29/2018 05:57 PMPosted by Beps
If you have to rush a teammate into combat with a HoT to counter sap, it's just not fair.

If he wasn't sapped, the rest of that CC chain could have been countered.
That sap gave the rogue 7 seconds of free damage. They have too much CC, and sap isn't fair.

I don't care if its been part of the kit forever, the only counter play feels like a cheese, rushing into combat isn't rewarding.
You realize they killed him in a hard swap that literally deleted him in 2 seconds right? Sap controlled to do damage to his partner, but that had no effect on him literally being deleted from the arena.


I know ur like top rated and everything, but its a matter of perspective.
If he wasnt sapped, (basically a free CC) he could have healed his partner.

instead he was forced to potentially trinket a blind to save his partner, and he couldn't trinket the resulting kidney.

Sin damage is op, but Sap enabled that entire play.
10/29/2018 06:12 PMPosted by Beps
<span class="truncated">...</span> You realize they killed him in a hard swap that literally deleted him in 2 seconds right? Sap controlled to do damage to his partner, but that had no effect on him literally being deleted from the arena.


I know ur like top rated and everything, but its a matter of perspective.
If he wasnt sapped, (basically a free CC) he could have healed his partner.

instead he was forced to potentially trinket a blind to save his partner, and he couldn't trinket the resulting kidney.

Sin damage is op, but Sap enabled that entire play.
He was Outlaw my guy, also most healers trinket blind anyway.
Sap is an ancient and outdated ability from back when rogue damage cooldowns were 1.5 to 2 minutes long and good positioning was required for r(mp) to succeed.
Outlaw..sap is not free, you have to burn vanish. Also, stop asking for pruning, it's what has made the game so 1 dimensional and unbalanced compared to the past..
<span class="truncated">...</span> You realize they killed him in a hard swap that literally deleted him in 2 seconds right? Sap controlled to do damage to his partner, but that had no effect on him literally being deleted from the arena.


I know ur like top rated and everything, but its a matter of perspective.
If he wasnt sapped, (basically a free CC) he could have healed his partner.

instead he was forced to potentially trinket a blind to save his partner, and he couldn't trinket the resulting kidney.

Sin damage is op, but Sap enabled that entire play.
You realize he trinketed thin air right? He tried to trinket between the eyes, but was too late on it, and then they threw in the cheap shot... Had nothing to do with sap..

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousCrazyBeefMrDestructoid
10/29/2018 05:40 PMPosted by Beps
Is blizzard going to finally look at rogues?


In addition to the three major passes since BFA?
all these clowns asking for sin nerfs while pika was rocking outlaw. stay golden arena forums
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I know ur like top rated and everything, but its a matter of perspective.
If he wasnt sapped, (basically a free CC) he could have healed his partner.

instead he was forced to potentially trinket a blind to save his partner, and he couldn't trinket the resulting kidney.

Sin damage is op, but Sap enabled that entire play.
You realize he trinketed thin air right? He tried to trinket between the eyes, but was too late on it, and then they threw in the cheap shot... Had nothing to do with sap..

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousCrazyBeefMrDestructoid


Will you get out of here with your facts I’m bad and I want rogues nerfed and I want it now!
10/29/2018 06:40 PMPosted by Michaeljaxin
... You realize he trinketed thin air right? He tried to trinket between the eyes, but was too late on it, and then they threw in the cheap shot... Had nothing to do with sap..

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousCrazyBeefMrDestructoid


Will you get out of here with your facts I’m bad and I want rogues nerfed and I want it now!
I'm fine with that, the wanting a nerf to sap though just seemed really random to me lol.
ya man lets prune some more, that'll totally make the game better /s

other classes need more tools to deal with the ones that already have a lot of utility.

also nerf mutt, buff sub
10/29/2018 06:51 PMPosted by Felryn
ya man lets prune some more, that'll totally make the game better /s

other classes need more tools to deal with the ones that already have a lot of utility.

also nerf mutt, buff sub
I'll never argue against adding more utility. I feel like utility is where you can really show off skill, and when utility is limited, the skill of a class is limited (unless it's like wotlk where rotation is actually difficult, but that doesn't really exist anymore).
10/29/2018 05:53 PMPosted by Mangupucazz
Ya that was a perfect example of why MW needs to be able to use fortifying brew while cc'd


yeah but with its cooldown it will most definitely not matter against pirates

that booty is still getting plundered

honestly i think they probably went on tilt after that ashamans loss where he preemptively rop'd the go and still died

that was brutal
10/29/2018 07:03 PMPosted by Trafficz
10/29/2018 05:53 PMPosted by Mangupucazz
Ya that was a perfect example of why MW needs to be able to use fortifying brew while cc'd


yeah but with its cooldown it will most definitely not matter against pirates

that booty is still getting plundered

honestly i think they probably went on tilt after that ashamans loss where he preemptively rop'd the go and still died

that was brutal
Yeah, that really as brutal. As for the fort brew while stunned, I honestly don't think that'd even keep mistweavers alive, it's pretty crazy. I don't know what the answer is though, I lean towards cocoon while stunned, and keeping it at a 2 min cd instead of dropping it to a 55 sec cd... maybe have to honor talent into the usable while stunned thing. Hard to say.