So about the 7 Kingdoms in WoW

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Ok so I have been playing Humans alot. I know you are looking at a Human Paladin Male Thread who talks about Humans and such of Potential. But however through does Humans really have Potential of Variety? I mean atleast in terms of inspirations, mixing it up in a creation kingdom that isn’t like your average French and Breton Medieval Style Kingdom and such.

So far the Only Kingdoms that are original and variety based is:

Kul’tiras: A Mix of the Pirate, British 1700s Era Style, and Portuguese Style in terms of Armor, Ships, Buildings, and even people with some lore about Sea worshipping as a religion instead of the Holy Light and of course even Drust Salem Witch Religion as well.

Gilneas: Pretty much 100% British with the Gunpowder Era Style Victorian Era, with bits of Slav/polish inspiration of Buildings, Armor because of the Guards, and bit of Werewolf worgen vibes.

Dalaran: Magical City that is it’s buildings are Turkish because of the Domos and such or maybe Byzantine in a way where almost all races are welcome if they are mages and warlocks but mostly mages.

That’s pretty much it as for as I know from other Kingdoms they are mostly the same like Stormwind, Lordaeron, Stromgarde, and Alterac.

Now I 100% already know that Stormwind is a Theme of the French Medieval Era in terms of the Buildings, the Churchs, canals, Knights, Archers, Priests, Religion of the Holy Light, and etc with also a mix with Bretons as well.

Meanwhile as for Lordaeron I don’t know why people choose it over Stormwind seeing as the fact it still has the same Knights, Medieval Style Buildings, and such. I mean what makes Lordaeron more different than Stormwind? What makes Stromgarde more different or Alterac City as a whole? Is blizzard fixing up the Human Kingdoms to be unique or something?

Because if that was the case I would like to see these 3 kingdoms be different than the Stormwind vibes. Like for Stromgarde would be ether Celtic Inspired or maybe Roman Vibes Imperial from Elder Scrolls Vibes, Lordaeron could also be Imperial or Roman inspired or atleast what some others have said to me in terms of themes Byzantine and as for Alterac or the Alteraci Kingdom. Some pointed it to be Swedish, German, or Russian Slav Vibes.

What do you guys think about the 7 Kingdoms so far in World of Warcraft’s Lore for Humans? Do you think they should be more different and unique than the others and if so what characters do you want to see from these kingdoms that haven’t been touched on alot unlike Dalaran, Kul’tiras, and Stormwind that have already been touched on?

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Alteraac is extinct as a kingdom, thanks to the treachery of it’s nobles.

Stromgarde was essentially recolonized from Stormwind.

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Scarlet monastery and the base in northrend were in very interesting strategic positions.
The scarlet crusade knew how to build a room where feeling small felt good. I’d think if the builders of lordaeron turn away the ideals of the scarlets masons they may return as the first undead alliance. Where they go and for who? Is building another dalaran in that spot, and moving it again even conceivable by lore standards?

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Honestly I think Blizz has really started to do better with humans.

I positively adore Kul Tiras. It’s rip roaring ‘Yo ho, yo ho’ fun punctuated with outright horror stories full of scheming witch covens and malicious eldritch cults.

I wanna visit Boralus and get positively blackout’mom is more scared than disappointed’ drunk on tainted rum and clank wooden cups full of frothy, warm beer while sob singing shanties about lost loves;

And for comparison Stormwind makes me feel like I’m bored to death in an IKEA. I feel like I’ve been deliberately turned around in this weirdly sterile maze, and I already know the foods going to suck.

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Kul’tiras is Bink’s Sake confirmed…

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I only watch the animes with vampires and fancy coats.

I just want the Forsaken to do whatever this is;

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Darn it, now I gotta sedate Marileth… who gave the old plague doctor hallucinogenic Mawshrooms?

Also uh… does it have a 1 hour version? :eyes:

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Stromgarde seems distinctly more low-tech/traditional than Stormwind from the warfront. Their military consists of footmen, knights, gryphon riders and wizards, with the only serious technology (steam tanks) supplied by the dwarves.

Contrast this with Stormwind, which has seemingly mass-adopted dwarven and gnomish tech and appears capable of self-producing it.

Culturally Stromgarde was the ‘warrior’ kingdom if my memory of twenty year old books serves me, but how that could be translated into a real world culture to take inspiration from, not sure. Maybe Germans/Teutons?

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I’ve Faranel’s laugh sound file as a macro. Never fails to cheer me up.

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I will blow a gasket if anyone but the Alteraci have German accents.

They somehow made Swiss cheese. So clearly they should have German mountain accents.

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Also not calling anyone out here but for Christ’s sake. German was the language of art, philosophy and science.

The British and French may dispute it but the reality is if you were a hotshot creative or intellectual at the turn of the 20th century you’d learn German and head there to study alongside the brightest minds.

Then came the dark times. Then came the barbarians. That burned it all down in the name of delusion and cruelty. German being seen as some warrior tongue is outright N@ZI propaganda.

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Personally I always thought of Stromgarde as more like Sparta in terms of warrior culture. Traditionalist and rigid but very good at what they do. I mean they held off the Horde during the second war for two years by themselves. The only reason the Horde got past them was through Alterac’s betrayal and the Horde starting to use ships.

In the present story I’m not sure what place they would have beyond being frontline troops. At the moment I think Gilneas needs the attention far more. We do need werewolves to deal with Ben’s vampire pirates after all.

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Agreed, I always compared Stromgarde to Sparta somehow. Which makes sense since it’s descended from Ignaeus Trollbane’s tribe after all. That really gives them a specific flavor, especially when compared to Stormwind.

Also I’m a big fan of Alterac. I grinded the Syndicate rep because I always had a thing for them cool orange bandana thugs. Want them to join the Horde !!!

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Is it wrong to imagine Stormgarde confronting the Horde like this

300 First Battle Scene Full HD Earthquake No Captain, Battle Formations - YouTube

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Sorry, everyone is Bri*ish with bad teeth. Even the elves now.

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Ideally if they do more stories on the Lordaeron subcontinent I’d have Stromgarde be the primary human faction driving the narrative, as opposed to Stormwind.

They’re in an interesting position: a resurgent Trollbane kingdom lead by a 2nd War OG, with a troll nation on one side and the Forsaken power vacuum on the other, with some fairly interesting Alliance neighbours too (e.g. Wildhammer, Bloodfang, Gilneas).

It’ll be a shame if they never revisit that part of the world.

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looks at the Worgen
Hmm, that statement checks out.

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Benedikt, before your subscription expires and you’ll inevitably be gone forever, I just want to let you know that I really enjoy your ideas, your memes and your style of writing. A total MVP, a most valuable poster.

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Aw danke.

Yeah idk probably not buying another month. I’ve already more or less stopped playing. The alt catchup is actually pretty good in SL but the Mortis / Torghast gameplay loop is just too much to bare.

It’s not really the gameplay itself. It’s just so removed from Azeroth. This isn’t what I signed up for. I don’t give a crap about any of this.

We’ll see though. I really enjoy Sub Rogue and Holy Priest PvP but the duck mothering hoops you’ve to jump through to get your memories and conduits are so exasperating. I was never a big fan of PvE but at least I used to find dungeons and raids conceptually interesting because they usually had details about a setting I cared about. And I don’t care about the Shadowlands. Some of the Covenant zones were interesting at least but I do not care about God’s 3D Printer and the Halo Ring because it has nothing to do with Azeroth.

It was really weird replaying the Lordaeron Reclamation quest because all of a sudden I was having fun. And oh yeah because it’s about people and places I’ve cared about for the better part of two decades. And not some random horseish I’m just now hearing about with maybe a cameo from an old raid boss if youre lucky.

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I always felt like Stromgarde was the “original” birthplace of humanity–Arathor and the Arathorian Empire having started there. I’m not sure how that translates to modern ideas of current nation-states, but …they’re very much the birthplace of the Seven Kingdoms as we know them today.

That said, I always think of the Arathor tribes as being somewhat nomadic until Thoradin brought them all to heel. In that regard, I feel Arathor is more in the vein of Rome–the old Empire that eventually splintered into various kingdoms of their own.

I’m not sure what I’d say for Alterac, but …there are some posts on the WoWPedia forums that discuss what their various specialties were–or what they sort of became over time. Alterac is a mountain community, though–so think along those lines, perhaps. In my mind, they’re more the Germanic Tribes. Lordaeron always felt very French to me, and Stormwind being in that theme makes sense since so many people fled to Stormwind after the fall of that kingdom. It would make sense in the England/France Lordaeron/Gilneas kind of thing. I could see Dalaran being Italy-like, and I always feel like Stromgarde embodies some of the Celtic/Viking tribes–with Kul’Tiras being the definitive Viking spinoffs.

Granted, all of this is very Eurocentric, and I wish I had more world-history viewpoints to consider the game kingdoms through. So, for example, I’d be interested in knowing how Japanese people might view the kingdoms, or even Chinese people. Other cultural groups may have other ideas regarding the various kingdoms, too. All in all, though, these are just lenses through which we’re basing a fantasy ideal of the kingdoms, and I don’t think any one lens is sufficient for labeling them in any specific way.

At best, we can note their strengths and weaknesses, go with what accents Blizz has given us, and sort of base our RP ideals off of those. I fear giving them too much Eurocentric counterparts because I want the game to be wider in feel and scope than that. I want it to transcend our worldviews. But…even then, drawing from the familiar isn’t the worst idea, either. I think keeping an open mind is good, though.