Before we begin i would like to say im excited for the new fury changes.
For those of you who have tried both what do you think the diffrence will be at max level (in theory), i love the new SMF spec it feels fast and fun but i havent tried TG.
I know the mantra play what you like and have fun, but im curious what some of you think for pve and pvp where this spec might end up
Personally, when news of the talents adding in SMF hit, and we started seeing all of the auto-attack talents and haste modifiers, i was incredibly excited. My first build idea for warrior was the Arms Thunderous Roar bleed-based rotation and my second was the SMF auto-attack/haste build. Both were completely different than the profiles for any current warrior dps. Although I have enjoyed TG in the many many years since its introduction, I have always preferred one-handed weapons for fury as the ultimate frenzied raging beserker playstyle.
With that said, I am fairly sure depending on level 70 tuning or course, that the Arms Bleed Build will pump. Haste and Mastery stacking in the end game and the builds sustainable damage and burst with Skullsplitter should be more than competitive enough in PvE, although pretty obviously subpar to a massive spike build focusing on Execute in PvP.
Unfortunate, despite REALLY wanting it to be, i highly doubt the SMF build will be viable. Sure, useable in early M+ and lfr/normal raids wherr being optimal really is not absolutely necessary, but it will almost certainly underpeform in every scenario possible against TG. There are a few factors contributing to this:
-Developers have already mentioned that the SMF/Auto-Attack build is being tuned/designed as an intro or new player friendly build, focusing on a more simple rotation and playstyle. This doesn’t absolutely mean that it won’t compete with TG however,
–Lastly, picking all of the requisite talents and pathing to optimize the playstyle of SMF in the class/fury tree also leaves desired talents unpicked, further neutering the effectiveness of some crucial warrior abilties that sometimes define the damage profile you bring to a group.
I really hope the tuning can work and the endgame of DF provides the gear/opportunity to at least make SMF a perfectly viable choice for ALL content even if it is not completely optimsl compared to TG.
I for one as a warrior understand my experience and proficiency enough to know I will never be pushing bleeding edge content and therefore only care to min/max my toon in just enough of a fashion to reasonably clear the content I am interested in participating in. If SMF is effective enough for Caladen to participate and succeed in M+15~ish and Normal/Heroic raiding, I would consider that a complete win even if I will never out-perform a TG Fury warrior alongside me. I fear however that the ceiling of the SMF build may be even lower than that.
I went smf and annihilate. I’m enjoying it.
Thank you both
You’re welcome, if you do spec to ditch raging blow add slam to your bars.
TG.
Dual wielding one handed weapons is for the weaker beings, like Enh shamans and frost dks.
TG is becoming boring after 6 version of just 2 2 hander…
if i want go to 2 hand i go Arms!
SMF with many Haste and mastery is very…chaotic and also a excellent source for spam rampage in single target! And we can totally always in enraged!
anyways people go to TG just for more stamina…and 1 little ridiculous % more dps comapred to 1 hand…if is more 10% i understable but 1 %…come on…
Even without jaithys and gavel, and the 2 talents soaking up points for smf, it was more like 5%
Then he’s only half concerned 
even that…i am just exhausted to see so Many META Titan Grips Slaves
Yo Bone
You can do both, they will do the job. Both can work with the new annihilator talent as well. But if you want to min/max, the later we go in an xpac, the better having two handers will be. The stats will outscale the bonus gained with one handed weapons.
That said however, so far in the loot table theres many one handed weapons with unique effect that could out do a two hander. (Theres no 2 handed weapon with additional effect so far.) So if they keep adding effect to one handed, then that might be the answer.
Personally, I prefer SMF for both the animation and look.
This is my opinion as well. I mean wielding a Two-hander in each hand is cool and all but hardly invokes the Furious Berserker image. Well I guess it depends on the weapon really. Some axes from WoD look good for it.
SMF means you can have claws
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Really wish even with strength claws the attack speed was lowered. I also would love to see strength adapted daggers!!
And i get it for loot pools and class distinction and all, BUT warriors are THE master of melee arms, so why the dickens can we NOT use warglaives, i mean come on, the first half of the word is the abbreviation of our CLASS. Lets go Blizz!
When I saw the Fury talents on initial launch I couldn’t wait to build a(n) SMF auto-attack settup. And I wasn’t dispaointed. It does feel sooo much better at 70, but it’s just as fun a few talents short on live. Though it can suffer having nothing to hit occasionally.
I’d recommend going titans grip in pre patch, there’s just not enough talents yet to make smf work as good.
Once we get ten extra talent points when patch drops is when I’ll be switching to smf.
A little hopeium (okay alot) on my part that with enough haste that we can have some epic up time on rampage, and maybe giving us the advantage in single target or raids
No need for more strength claws. You can transmog any 1h weapon into claws, which is what I meant.
Im not worried about the look. I want str weapons with the 1.6sec attack speed like agi claws and daggers have for even more furious furydom. Str claws have the same 2.8 speed as all other str 1hds. I want them speedyspeeds without having to sacrifice my primary stat.
Well, I’ve always preferred SMF because I remember playing fury warrior in vanilla with 2 super fast weapons, but that’s just nostalgia I suppose. Also more of a fan of 2 1h weapon look.
That being said, SMF sims a solid 9-10% lower in DPS for me currently (I even did the sim using normal 2H weapons instead of Jaithys and Gavel, yikes!) and having to drop 2 talents into it to even “try” to make it viable is sad. I literally sim better using 2 2h weapons WITH SMF talents over 1H weapons.
So sadly, I’m sticking with TG. The 2 SMF talents on the tree are basically a slap in the face imo.