For me the whole point of Fury is to dual-wield 2h weapons, but, hey, Single-Minded Fury is out there, and it may not be that bad, especially in instances where you might want an extra bit of movement speed.
Is it worth it?
It makes no difference.
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Been using SMF while leveling and really liking the consistency of my output.
I’m running with both heirloom swords right now (BSR and Thrashblade) and really liking how smooth my rage gen is. Might change at higher levels, but now (15) it’s been great.
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It’s the same as with TG.
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Hardly a difference, just smaller weapons thats about it.
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There are some preliminary assumptions atm that TG will be better as 2 handers have higher stats. But if Blizz wanted to have it be more than cosmetic than I’m sure we will see some attempt at balancing the two.
Other than stats though, rage generation is normalized so you shouldn’t feel much of a difference between the two. I like SMF for the look though so I’m hoping it will be a purely cosmetic difference.
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They’re like the same thing. If your character was blotted out and you couldn’t tell what you were using and had to guess off mechanics, rage generation, and damage, there isn’t a player alive that would be able to accurately guess which subspec they were playing.
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I’m mainly testing out SMF because I can mog the prot flails. But other than a purely cosmetic choice there is no significant difference between SMF and TG. I could have achieved my double bonks if blizzard just opened up 1 hand weapons (swords, axes, maces) as Tmog options for fury. Even when wielding 2 2-hand weapons, you still use the basic (1 hander) duel wield animations for auto attacks and fury’s abilities.
I still use TG for my speed set though. Blade of Rivendare gives 10% speed, SMF only gives 5%.
I could see TG being better for progression from a survival point of view, as you get more stam from TG than SMF. But from a pure dps PoV, there would be no real difference. So it basically comes down to:
- Want more movement speed? SMF
- want more health? TG.
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Ill be trying it out for arenas soon, the extra movement speed sounds handy.
Feels stronger with average gear and some azerite traits are just better. If you get a geti though you’re swapping. It is definitely not a bad choice right now.
For shadowlands I have a feeling it will be based on what weapons you put your hands on and how warrior stat priorities turn out. SMF in the past has been stronger at lower item levels but falls behind. We will see if it follows the pattern.
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That’s not really accurate.
Tell me one expansion where end tier SMF was not below TG because here is what I remember.
Cata: Good tier one, garbage everything after.
MOP: Good even into ToT but fell behind after that.
WOD: Always behind.
In both expansions smf was stronger for single target damage and execute. Less extreme in WoD than in MoP, only about 2% difference.
Depends. Haste mastery Gurthalak vs haste stamina soul drinker. Both did well. Not enough data to go back and say what was best.
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People played Fury during Dragon Soul? I’m as anti-Arms as it comes, never even switched in Nya’lotha though I said I was going to when it simmed 20k higher, and I went Arms during DS.
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I’m not going to lie.
I really dislike talking about older portions of the game beyond simple memories, as there’s no real data to examine. What I remember of DS was that arms was ahead, albeit not massively. The gap was greater in say, HFC prog (pre nerfs of course) or EN prog (pre nerfs of course)
It’s far too easy to start to fill in gaps of knowledge or lapses in memory with anecdotal, “Well I think it was like this…”
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I was mostly being facetious.
I remember that in Firelands I was mid-upper DPS, the DS nerfs made me one of the worst in my guild at the time, and after like a week or two I got a gurthalak, switched to Arms, and was top dps immediately. 10000% anecdotal obviously, and I frankly wasn’t that stellar of a player back then either.
Worthless as a data point, just amuses me to remember it.
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Untrue. For MOP it was because fury still had colossus smash and it was about packing as many big hits into that window. The smoother but lighter hitting rotation of SMF just didn’t work as well when you could be confidant using 2 handers that you could properly fill that window. Galk’s eye let you squeeze stormbolt into every CS window AND there was Thok’s which gave a percentage bonus to secondary stats.
WOD fury execute damage was in the dumpster and it became a rage dump/filler, so gearing for it was just a good way to fail. Arms execute damage put SMF to shame so it was totally garbage even for fights where late burst damage mattered.
The proc on the axe actually made it better than SD. Yes the agility one. I remember this being laughed at when people were simming the various warrior builds. Gurth tentacles were OP regardless and left SMF in the dust. Again, fury had collosus smash and filling up the debuff window with big hits was important.
Crit was also the way to go when warriors still had flurry PERIOD. Keeping flurry up gave way more white hits than haste would. Until flurry went away, crit and mastery were always competing with each other to be the better stat, with haste being the third runner up.
I mean, you can say untrue, but the people who wrote the guides, as well as the guides themselves, all say the same thing. SMF simply was better in pure st.
…ok? How does arms doing better damage relate in any way to fury’s smf vs TG.
Yes…there’s a point here somewhere, I can feel it.
SMF preferred haste to mastery.
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i love single minded fury, in the grand scheme of things, titan grip is sort of the invader. that being said, who doesn’t like options.
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As someone that played Warrior in Cataclysm, can confirm. SMF was overshadowed by Titan Grip for a majority of the expac. They had a super hard time balancing 1 hander vs 2 hander stats. That being said, can also confirm that Arms was above both of the fury options. Especially since a lot of fights in DS had a lot of AoE. Only ST fight I can think of off the top of my head was Ultraxxion. I have a few videos from Cataclysm days. If allowed I can post links.
Heroic Yorsahj:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJrO-b_F9VM
Hagara (can’t remember if this was Heroic or not (guess I should read my own labels)):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDlpZPT92mQ