This idol is our best in slot Idol for Cat which is still complete crap.
It reduces the energy cost of Rake and Claw by 3.
Rake you don’t use at all because it doesn’t scale and should be removed from your bar (An issue they don’t address till WotLK).
And Claw is the ability of last resort because its damage is crap. You ONLY use it if you can’t get behind something and does like 66% of the damage of your main ability.
Could we PLEASE get this thing to either reduce the energy cost of Claw and SHRED by 3 so it has some actual use.
Or better yet, have it reduce the energy of Shred by 6 instead as that is our actual primary DPS ability. Or just remove the positional requirement of shred.
But the fact our best in slot DPS idol impacts 1 ability you should never use under any condition in PvE at 60 and rarely in PvP and another ability isn’t used except as a “Better than nothing” option is just plain sad itemization.
I didn’t get very serious about Feral until WoD/Legion, so I’d love to be able to validate this statement for myself. How would I do so?
Your spec is dependent on a level 30 dungeon weapon and a level 45 crafted helm to do damage…
If you want a feral spec that isn’t complete jank, you are looking in the wrong place.
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If you look at classic, Rake does not scale at all. It does as much damage in Best in Slot DPS gear as it does when you are naked. You can test this on Classic now if you want. It gets some use while leveling where you weave it in till your Claw ability overtakes it again as you go through ranks.
When TBC came out, it is the same deal. You don’t even put it on your bar and the ONLY use it really has is in PvP where you are trying to keep them bleeding to prevent them from stealthing and you can’t get Fairy Fire on them either because of a dispeller, or a resist, or they have Cloak of Shadows up and you can’t put Rip on them and not worth it to go bear and lacerate them.
At 60 and 70, your rake shouldn’t be on your action bar at all except for those conditions in PvP.
Rake didn’t start scaling with attack power until Wrath of the Lich King.
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I’ll have to roll a druid and check this out for myself…
Anyone have that image of cat feral rotation/priority in Wotlk?
It’s in the patch notes, rake/rip start scaling with AP in wrath. Making them suddenly integral to feral dps as opposed to spam shred/FB.
Actually all cat damage scales horrible in classic due to the lack of availabilty of FAP weapons, which gets kind of addressed in BC but not really fixed until wrath when all weapons just have default FAP.
put on your healing set like a good druid and stop complaining
Rip scales in TBC and Classic with AP. It is just Rake that doesn’t.
And even if Rake managed to scale it in this expansion it would still be one of the worst idols due to the debuff cap preventing it from being even used.
And in Classic, feral scaling is just bad across the board, even if you have top end, best in slot gear, the others will just leave you in the dust. Rake doesn’t scale at all, they get no chance on hit procs from weapons, powershifting costs 500+ mana per use with a mana pool of about 3,300, Rip can’t be used in raids due to the debuff cap, and then still got no way to deal with Shreds positional requirement which can kill your DPS on any movement heave fight or with lots of target switching and the complete lack of AoE with the exception of Hurricane which doesn’t scale in Feral gear, has a 1 minute cooldown and costs over half of our mana. These are all stuff they should have address in vanilla the first time around but didn’t, many of them they still refused to address in TBC as well.
Yep, feral doesn’t really come into its own until Wrath. Wrath/Cata were the golden age of feral cats.
TBC is okay, tanking is good but cat is still mostly a secondary dpser with a useful aura.
Yes and no on Wrath.
I won’t lie, in Wrath I was viable as every spec and rocked them all but overall I just disliked what they did to feral in PvP and how they destroyed its hybrid nature and homogenized the classes during it.
It was like Blizzard refused to give druids the bug fixes they needed till they could break other stuff in the process.
Can understand cat being considered secondary in TBC at T6 level but they were plenty viable in the lower levels where I was breaking 1,200 DPS in T4 without even powershifting. But yeah, they refused to all rake to scale, refused to let ferals use potions without breaking form, and refused to let them get chance on his procs or actual weapon variety till after TBC.
But they refused to do that till they broke the hybrid nature of feral which killed a lot of its fun. And they didn’t need to do that with them because they already lacked in a key area compared to others that more than made up for it. Virtually all the other pure classes had a range of crowd controlling tools to handle stuff. Feral didn’t. All they had was Cyclone which was a 6 second banish, Roots which you couldn’t use in most instances at all till Wrath and did nothing against ranged since it just held them down, and hibernate which was beast only.
They refused to fix them till they made sure that if you went DPS, your bear form was useless, if you went tank, your cat form was useless and don’t think about PvP, and healing yourself meant you likely might not get back into form because you have no int gear.
Also, by the end of WotLK, a feral was effectively hit capped, expertise capped, crit capped, armor pen capped, haste capped, and stacking AP at that point.
And for the guy asking about the John Madden meme for the feral rotation, they greatly removed that by the end of WotLK when they made mangle a 1 minute debuff.
just be happy, that for your cat idol you dont need to go through what one has to for resto.
No changes. If you want Feral to be good, wait for TBC.
Would rather go through what resto has to for their idol then end up with an idol that gives virtually zero benefit as both the abilities it boosts are abilities you shouldn’t be using.
Actually tried stealth running with 4 other druids to get the Resto trinket. Only one of us got it before we hit the instance cap due to the drop rate. Was kinda fun having 5 druids stealth running the place. I called it “Bulls on Parade”.
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Let’s also add a regrowth idol while we’re at it
The ret paladins would like a word. Have you seen our BiS dps Libram? Haha
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I don’t get what was going through the item designer’s heads when designing druid idols. The bear one is so damn good, while the cat and boomer versions aren’t even worth equipping.
Feel the same way looking at Boomer gear and the closest thing they have to Feral tier with the Genesis set.
Both sets need Hit on them because they are sorely lacking. Can’t say much for the boomers because I really don’t play it much but for feral, each piece of that thing should have at least 1% hit each with at least 1 of them having 2%. Then look at the set bonus.
+200 Armor, unless that applies to the Bear bonus is it largely crap. Would dump that and replace it with maybe something that removes the positional requirement for shred so movement fights don’t hurt as bad.
-10 Minutes on Rebirth, its a meh talent overall. Would be better with increasing the number of targets Swipe hits to address that issue.
I understand its supposted to be a “Hybrid” set which is the closest thing to a feral one we got and serves the purpose some since we don’t have Nurturing Instinct till next expansion, “Although they could have given us that as a set bonus on it and been great”. But they just refused to itemize properly for either spec.
Definitely agree on the Boomer idol. Boosting Moonfire which you aren’t able to use in raids due to the debuff cap… Same with how you can’t really stack resto druids in groups because their HoTs don’t stack and overwrite each other.
But by comparison, I ran an instance last night with a warrior tank. Scholomance. It went great, I figured we were rocking the DPS with how quick stuff died because I never bothered to inspect the others. Then I pulled up the DPS charts after the instance just to see how good they were doing. The warrior was 40.4% of our 5 mans total DPS AS THE TANK.