OP should at least post on a character they play. Or not complain so much. They are entitled to their opinion, but nobody is obligated to like it.
184 still falls into the casual range.
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yes which is great for those of us that are casual⌠i am aiming to grind that eventually plus some conquest pieces through doing random bgs. thatâs my gear strategy for this patch. and i can merc epic bgs and not be a problem for my team since i can still do objectives etc.
Appease the hardcore - get complaints from entitled brats
Appease the casual - get complaints from the elitist jerks
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I have to say outstanding post OP! I think you won the internet!
Thereâs just too many systems, âbusy workâ, now and I wonder if that will ever be fixed.
This has to be the reason the post was flagged. Itâs really a pathetic reason too.
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if you donât like this game play a different one. itâs really simple. no one has a gun to your head forcing you to sub to wow and whine on the forums.
I think the problem with this is precisely why WoW numbers go to decline, then back to incline a bit then back down. Hedging bets on who will remain interested every 2 years is a seriously losing strategy.
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I honestly think that the hardcore players are going to stay no matter what, given the various issues that each expansion has had. Some of these players have had WoW infused into their brains over the years and wouldnât know what else to do. The hardcore fanbase are also always going to be complaining about something, like the dailies in MoP. (They got everything else they wanted in SL, so it was covenants this time.)
So what I think the game devs should do is try to retain/attract newer players, get former players to return, and go back to having power progression content that appeals to players of a wide range of skill levels and amounts of free time. That is what I think WoW should be; no reason to try to make it more neckbeardy or exclusive, if you love this game and want it to continue to stay relative.
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Well said!
Yeah it was bizarre. They just wrote off mostly anything mentioned, canât say Iâm surprised. At this point unsubbing is my best step. Most Iâve heard either strictly run raid with their guildies and gear up, or PVP, and or lucky RNG on dungeons so they chime in to say ââBut WQs and all that other open world stuff is optional, this xpac is the best hurr durr, I can PVP now, you can get ilvl 300000 PVPing now, itâs amazingââ.
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Itâs almost like a multibillion dollar company could figure out a way to do both⌠Ah well, blizzard is a small indie dev. Please understand 
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I dunno about that.
Poster is classic character with no previous posts.
They throw up their Excel masterpiece and scoot waiting for the fireworks.
Looks like they werenât disappointed.
A fair number of old-time players think that the game would be better if only they could find a way to get rid of the 98% of the playerbase that doesnât deserve to play it. But at the same time they also believe that if casuals are given no choice, they will âstep up their gameâ and decide to become elite players.
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Seems so. I think the second bit wonât happen. But itâll be a split reaction⌠since most seemingly have a hard time leaving this game⌠theyâll just linger around, others will quit.
iâm an old time player and a casual. no one is asking for their to be no players. if youâre leaving cuz of loot no one will miss you. this is how the games been for the vast majority of it. tf and loot raining from the sky was bad for the game.
That was literally one of the things our illustrious game director himself said in his interview today -
Theyâre ok with where World Quests and Calling rewards are. Long term they need something else but donât want to players to feel like you have to do all your World Quests every day. You can eventually graduate from them.
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Yeah itâs a bizarre comment to justify long but few world quests with nothing really that makes it feel rewarding. Then you get the group coming in to say âBut itâs optionalâ. LOL. Whatta cop out to justify this weird non sense for a design.
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the WQ iâve done have been fun. if you donât like them donât do them. they should never have given raid level loot.
See ladies 'n gents, the predictable response.
(Btw, Iâm fine if people like it⌠I find them long and with little reward⌠itâs called my opinion on it. Donât feel hurt by it and misconstrue it to it meaning that I want mythic raid lvl gear or hand outs)
There is a predictable mentality amongst the lot in this community that fall back on the same response. Try understanding the complaint, if you donât maybe donât contribute.
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the predictable response is the correct one. i like to progress my toons through content. WQ giving out raid level gear meant that i didnât have to do normal, heroic or mythic dungeons or lfr because i could do 4 WQ and get better loot. it was awful design. i donât care about mythic raid anything. i just want the things that i can do at my skill level to feel meaningful and not be outclassed by emissary loot which you can essentially afk.
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