Skill-Capped 3v3 Class Tier List

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Class tier list and 3v3 Comp tier list were updated 4 days ago.

Buff C and D tier specs? : FDK, Hpriest, Affliction, Outlaw, Enhance, Marksman.

Also

Every PVE item banned from AWC should also be banned in rated arena. By banning them for the tournament, Blizzard acknowledged that they are breaking the game.

ACT ON IT PLEASE <3

Many Blessings

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100% agree with you on all points made…

nerf Gpy by 5% damage and make Shimmer stop the cast, plus add 5-10% damage to Fireball, OR put a 10sec CD on Gpy and add 5-10% damage to Fireball.

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buff fireball

big nerf fireblast and pyroblast

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don’t nerf Fireblast… they only hit for 4-5k damage and crit for like 8k lol… you only have 3 of them… No need to nerf Pyroblast either… It doesn’t do a ton of damage unless Combustion is up which is fair.

personally, what I’d like to see is Meteor and Phoenix Flames baseline, and then add a talent to go on the 90 tier where Meteor was… then we can literally boot Gpy from the game and people can take Pyroclasm if they want the big Pyroblast damage… It will be strong, but it will likely only hit for 30-45k and maybe 55ish if Combustion is active… that’s a lot better than 75k Greaters lol… plus its still a 5 second cast time and it’s proc based so it can’t be spammed…I also believe the proc is purgable…

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B tier again. :frowning:
They even put ARMS Warrior above Ret.

On a side note: Getting really triggered that they name only some of the comps, but leave other comps, that definitely have names, unnamed.

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WW SP Rdruid Crap Tier LOL…one of the best comps in the game. and Arms should be 2 tiers lower than where it is…I hope the devs don’t look at this list. Replace Arcane and Sub with Arms and Boomy at least…

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Can always tell EU made the list because they never list a tank comp when there’s several on the front page of NA every season.

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just because a group of rivals got together and said "haha wouldnt THE WALKING DEAD be such a funny name !1!1! !1 ! "
doesn’t mean it’s the comps name

officially ‘RMP’ 'wwdk ’ ‘wardh’ are the actual comp names and it saves so much ‘XD cringe’

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They list comps down to C tier.

The rest are mostly D tier or lower. You can probably add some other comps in C or higher though, the comp list is imo a little more flexible than the class list.

Also idk what list you’re looking at, I see both ret and arms at the same tier A (2 tiers above enhance). For rets and wars who disagree, keep in mind this list takes PVE gear into consideration!

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My bad, I was looking at team comps, not the actual classes themselves.

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I’m not against swaping arcane and sub for boomy and war IF you exclude considering PVE gear. This list considers it though.

Boomys are good tbh but just countered by rdruids atm which run rampant. It’s always balance or resto druid that counters the other depending on which is stronger at the time.

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why’d you respond to me and not him with that? lol im so confused

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maybe with no gear

i regularly see 15k fireblasts and 30k pyros which dont seem absurd but fires on demand damage constantly

oop was gonna reply about how fireblast does like 15k and pyro does like 30
fires on demand without thinking damage is nuts

it wouldn’t feel so bad if fire wasnt so absurdly tanky and hpal/fire didnt have such gross synergy

on top of it all dragons breath feels so absurdly short with most specs having minimal utility compared to the past

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hm… then maybe I’m playing it wrong… I main Fire Mage and am only 2175xp but I figured I was high enough xp that i kinda know how to play it… idk… When combustion is up if I get a super juicy Pyroblast I could see it hitting 30k… Fireblasts though usually only do 4-5 regular, during crit 7-8ish, and during Combustion maybe a max of 10-12k… I feel like people dislike fire because it’s strong right now, but outside of Combustion the only damage output they really have is Greater Pyroblast… that’s why I’m suggesting making Meteor/Phoenix Flames baseline and giving us something else to talent into and removing GPy from the game entirely… if we want BIG Pyroblasts we can play Pyroclasm which is proc based and dispellable not to mention its still a 5 second cast.

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PVE gear helps arms, but it’s not enough with the lack of any other source of self-healing, alongside the reality that you spend 95% of the game in D stance against most comps. Also, yeah Boomy’s suck against rdruids, but if the list considers PVE gear, it should also consider the reality that 80% of the games are against an rdruid, in which case boomy should be dropped a tier lower.

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good rmpalas doesnt even cast gpy against most comps

when you snap all your charges every kidney you can get out like 100k damage in a couple seconds without cds

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idk, I watch Gelubaba (highest rated mage in the world rn, something to the tune of 3k rating in 3s) and he always runs Greater Pyroblast… I think Xaryu does as well… I would agree that Greater Pyroblast is toxic because it’s spammable, but I still think it can obviously be outplayed… If it wasn’t outplayable I wouldn’t still be 2k cr in 3s or 1900 in 2s…

I get your points though… really, I do… I’m not trying to come across as smug. Above I outlined what I think would be meaningful changes to Fire Mage for the entire PvP community… I just don’t want them sent back to the dark ages of doing zero damage and only being a CC bot.

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A simpler solution to fire is to reduce cast time on fireball from 2.2 baseline to 1.7 baseline and a generous damage buff. Phoenix flames baseline would help.

Also execute scorch could possibly be changed to increase all the time. Giving fire the mobile damage consistency it needs.

Changes like that would derail gpyro. Change tinder to mimic pyroclasm.

Problems solved. I’d like to see a fire rework down the road but this would be a good first step. Fire needs more damage then frost and arcane because it doesn’t have multiple blinks or a 65% slow attached to our filler.

It needs damage to be relevant and not a CC bot. Mastery buffs and undoing legion critical mass nerf as well

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Youre a mage, youre a cc bot by definition. Also, you can 100-0 someone in a few globals, your damage is fine.

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But… Isn’t that the point of shimmer?