I got Heroic sinestra, think it was a top US 100 kill.
I remember it took only 2 months to get the kill, was easier then Hero G’huun.
I know many of you have Ghunn on farm… yet many of us, good raiders, just can not get it ( a final boss or AOTC ) down this xpac. There are many reasons from low dps, bad tanks, heals, people not showing up, 2 days a week raid, etc.,…
Sinestra with the gear at the time was easier then this joke we have. Sorry but for the 1st time… I feel I was not get AOTC, and that makes me sad…
Go ahead and flame me, call me names whatever. It is what you people ( some of you anyway ) do. But tired of failed pugs, 2, 3, 4 hour pug ques, saying 1 shot Heroic G’huun.
Not looking for a freebie… but this fight is horrible… give me back Sinestra anytime!
Ghuun is notoriously difficult, especially for a first raid end boss. I’ve killed it twice with my guild to get people the achieve and we’ve not touched it since. No intent to do so. Time is better placed elsewhere since his loot table is poor too.
EDIT: Feel free to add my btag and we’ll take you to get AOTC. Mike#17759
I think the problem is that g’huuns loot is useless, whats the point really?
My work schedule is fairly random so i pug everything, i got him down after about 3 weeks of constant wiping. I had my job as an orb runner down pretty quick. I wont deny that i caused a lot of resets and wipes as i was learning but once i had it down i was 99% reliable. The frustrating thing for me is that it didn’t matter, because i had to suffer through the rest of the raid learning how to not spread the corruption balls over, and over and over again in every group i joined. Rarely even seeing phase 3 with enough people alive for it to matter.
Im perfectly ok with the first end raid boss being a hard dps check and hard healing check, i’m even ok with it being a hard mechanics check in relation to the orb running but there are just too damn many mechanics in the fight.
Its damn painful to have to relearn the first two phases with every group, just so they can then learn phase 3 and give up after a few sub 5% wipes.
As other people have said the fight is just annoying in every way and the loot table is garbage.
I feel like the orb running should have been the central mechanic of the fight, with a significant portion of the raid going up with the runners in a gauntlet style engagement while a small team stayed down to deal with comparatively minor threats. The main difficulty of the fight would be in the orb running gauntlet with the final phase being a tense but simple dps / healing check.
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Thanks Vihoh, When do you guys raid… take you up on that offer!
IMO heroic ghuun is harder than the first 3 (maybe 4 if you dont include gear requirements) bosses in mythic. It is straight up challening boss and I wouldn’t reccomend thr pug life for that fight.
Side note: wouldnt heroic sinestra back then = mythic today?
You people are everything wrong with this game.
I think so. That is when we did it. 25 man raid.
The main issue I have is that there are so many limitations for orb running. Not only do you need mobility, it is extremely valuable to have aoe and self heals. On top of that the debuff requires more than half the raid to do the mechanic. All this boils down to is insane class stacking and groups only accepting solo orb runners in pugs.
Would I change it? Na, but it is pretty ridiculous for a first end raid boss.
Ghuun isn’t that hard actually; it just requires more of your raid to be able to do mechanics than typical. Kiljaeden was actually a much slower kill for people than Ghuun.
The biggest problem with Ghuun that you didn’t have before Warlords is scaling. With 10 people Ghuun is extremely tiring since pretty much the whole raid has to run.
There isn’t a major DPS check or anything but without Warlocks or DHs a 10 man group could struggle for weeks where a 20 man group would faceroll it. Try pugging in a dozen players if you are a 10 man group.
Are you actually doing the fight with the same group that did Sinestra as a top 100 kill? Because it looks like you’re comparing a pugs performance to what would had to of been a structured guild which is hilariously illogical.
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Sinestra was years ago. I still own that guild, server xfer, name change and everyone left. Fast forward to several years later, new guild, good group… still…
I find the boss harder then Sinestra with or with out my guild.
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Yeah I doubt you’re comparing apples to apples. Sinestra is the equivalent to a mythic end boss, so the better comparison is mythic G’huun.
Yes heroic G’huun is hard (unusually hard for a first tier end boss, actually), but he’s not that hard.
Are you trolling?
H sinestra is 1000% more difficult
just think about the gear required the healing required and of course 25 man was more difficult than 10 man
H ghuun is: ok ever1 on discord ok run the orbs ok move from red aoe