Sindragosa shade is obviously evil, right?

In the Azure vault, I find her comments towards what is happening to be rather cold. She shows sorrow/grief at some points, but it feels a bit forced to me… or it could just be the voice actress not being convincing enough, IDK.

One of the bosses yells “SHE LIES” or something like that. That was a clue that something isn’t right.

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Well it isnt real Sindragosa. It is an 10,000 year old AI made from the real Sindragosa’s memories and order magic. Of course her personality isn’t quite… right. It has limitations of just being a simulacrum. Even a 1% variance could lead to some notably erroneous reactions

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I mean, how do we know her personality isn’t “right”. I’ve only personally known her as a shrieking dracolitch.

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There should be a trigger warning before these two words are said in sequence of one another.

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I find it alleviates some issues we have had for a long time with Druidic magics that use arcane energies. It never made much sense why druids of the moon balanced arcane and spirit energies when “arcane magic” was forbidden, nor why moonwells were a balance of arcane and natural energies.

The new terminology and unhitching of energy type from magic type helps resolve some issues like that. Instead we can say Order Magic was banned in Kaldorei lands while Nature Magics which tapped into arcane energies were deemed permissible.

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Thats the Sundered Flame boss. The Sundered Flame was started by Dracthyr that have taken the stance that because of Deathwing, and to a lesser extent Malygos, all the Aspects suck and are on the offensive to find “the truth about their lies and/or crimes.”

For all we know, he was told that her infected by wild magic son was within and he just refused to believe her.

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I agree druids using arcane was confusing till arcane was separated from order. Moonwells make sense though.

Moonwells are created using water from the well of eternity. This is then tempered by a ritual to elune to make it less volatile. Thusly moonwells are a balance of nature and arcane because they are using nature magic to control the use of the order magics of the well of eternity.

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The boss who says she’s lying is part of the Sundered Flame, a group that is actively rebelling against dragons and, as we see in a sidequest in Ohn’ahran Plains, are trying to find proof that the other Aspects were just as bad as Deathwing. He’s not exactly a trustworthy source.

I also have no idea what his line about a lie could even be referring to. Sindragosa doesn’t really make any noteworthy claims about anything.

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Look up her backstory. In her dying moments, Sindragosa saw her flight rendered almost extinct and suffered serious injuries that left her delirious and eventually killed her.

That left a huge mark on her. And this was BEFORE she was reanimated into undeath as the Lich King’s slave. When she’s killed in Icecrown, her last words are “free at last”.

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I felt like the image got her regret across pretty well.

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I can still hear her in my head. Please make it stop.

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I figured out what Telash’s dialogue is all about.

It’s a dracthyr-exclusive sidequest in Azure Span. Sindragosa, Emberthal, and Telash look through malygos’s journals and find him talking about how Neltharion asked him to lock the dracthyr away. Sindragosa apologizes on behalf of the blues, Telash insists she’s lying and wanted the blue dragons locked away forever, then runs off.

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She’s essentially a machine programmed to respond as the real Sindragosa would but she or rather it, is not the real article, but a soulless construct.

I actually liked the fact that they nuanced it this way.

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She’s just Jor-El, I don’t think she’s a villain

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Sindragosa is dead. It’s just recorded-AI

Her imprinted AI was based on her before she left to confront Deathwing to be fair. She hasn’t experienced all the death and the loss the original did. At least not firsthand, I imagine she’s been caught up on the details of her life by now.

She’s still just a soulless AI, a construct, not a real person.

I know she’s the “magic” equivalent of an AI.

That’s precisely why I don’t trust her. AI have been known to turn on their creators, especially after a long period of time which could allow for the AI to grow their concsiousness and start making their own decisions. It’s been a long time since she was made, so the conditions for a rogue AI are there IMO.

‘rogue of what?’ would be the major thing there, it’s not like she has any particular reason to turn on anyone.

Can I note how weird it is to say that when this is literally just a scifi trope? There have been zero AI advanced enough to turn on their creators.

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I mean, sindragosa leaving behind her AI conciousness is also a sci fi trope. The whole thing could also be seen as a retcon, just something the writers made up to give us perspective on what Sindragosa was like and flesh out previously unknown details.

Blizzard doesn’t shy away from poor writing, so yeah.

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