Since we are doing Classic+ now

Same. *laughs in stealth and topping the meters

Sure thing. In exchange, I want blood lust on our shamans and the mana regen totems to affect the entire raid, like your blessing of wisdom already does.

Can I get flying?

Just hunter pets? My poor imp is crying.

Honestly what with the tank problem, I wouldn’t mind if they slipped in Righteous Defense and a few mana regen talents deep in the protection tree. The 10% mana return on heals is nice and all, but that has the drawback of becoming useless when you stop taking damage or outgear content, like a raid geared Paladin in 5-mans.

That’s the slippery slope that many of us have warned of before classic started. I was reassured it wasn’t real though.

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OH Classic+ , you mean RETAIL, yes it is available on the same launcher you use for Classic, use the drop down menu to get there.

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He’s not wrong though, what does ret have that holy doesn’t? I think holy actaully makes ret obselete in all Pve content. Kind of a serious question. Even feral kitty DPS gives 5 people 3% crit at the very least.

Their unique utilities are Sanctity Aura (which does nothing for the raid), Vengeance (which does nothing for the raid), Repentance (which is useless in raiding as most trash mobs in 40-mans are not Humanoids), and Improved Retribution Aura (30 dmg instead of 20 dmg).

No joke, but I hated the change to totems that made them ‘raid wide’. It makes Tranquil Air 100% useless, since it couldn’t be limited to certain groups (ie high DPS groups).

…meanwhile, Salvation could be targeted to just ‘these groups’.

((And yes, my guild in TBC was grateful when a few of the Shamans rerolled Paladins and could go back to “buffing [threat reduction]” on specific groups.))

EDIT: I suppose the ideal solution would be that totems “now affect all nearby raid members”; basically turning Totems into the Shaman’s version of Paladin Auras. Make it like 15 yd range…don’t know if I’d go as far as giving the ability to ‘ground target’.

((So we’d be borrowing code from Paladin Auras and Hunter’s Volley; code reuse ftw!))

Bloodlust should still remain ‘party wide’ as the Alliance has no equivalent, which is odd…Shamans and Paladins can both boost Attack Power (Totem of Strength and Blessing of Might; respectively), but only Shamans can then go on to increase attack speed.

Thank you. Doesn’t ret have lay on hands and/or divine intervention?

Yes, we have both. But DI is more for ‘whip protection’, and should only be used when the Raid Leader calls for it. As you’re not just taking yourself out, you’re also taking out the targeted player.

no guild takes 8 holy paladins.

I’m reminded of my guild doing Kara as ‘all paladin’ (just because we could). Man, that was funny. xD

Your right, I think 3 H.paladins an one prot paladin spec;d 30/21 is ideal. Ret still has no place in that. Kings Salv Might/Wisdom and Sanc. 4 auras. Good point.

They should just make a server with balanced classes, improved difficulty and some QOL changes that stays with the spirit of vanilla. Give everybody what they want…people who want the current game can stay on their own realm, people who want balanced classic can play on their own. Then again that would actually involve blizzard putting work into this game, something they’ve yet to do.

Most players in this game, to the point of almost every player you’ll ever see, is just mediocre. Everyone is amazing in their minds, but most players just really aren’t that good. Ret before TBC is a very hard spec to be good at. Any loss in DPS uptime, using the wrong seal for the situation, timing a cooldown wrong, it’s all going to stand out a lot more in that mediocre group than it is within the players who play amazingly.

Meanwhile, you can have a mage cast frostbolt and do respectable damage.

So you’re going to bring the mage because at an average level of skill, stuff still dies.

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Imagine equating +4 bag slots to now classic plus all because you picked a crappy meme class and want it buffed

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Warrior is a selfish class. You should delete your useless warrior and roll a preist or mage.

Why not? It’s a game, let’s have some fun… but let’s not turn this into retail. Fix Oomkin mana issues too.