The common sense solution is to barely cap your level and wait for after tuesday to do anymore than that.
Something tells me if I did the math and your existing ap for the week is scaled down at the same rate the cap is scaled down this would not be equivalent to the time it took to regain the ap lost and reach the the lowered cap. it would worsen the closer you were to capping for the week. That's just a guess though.
At least with the concordance you gained a meaningful amount of spell power, etc. per level. With the neck piece it's like a +2 to all the stats. in other words a meaningless amount per ilev gained.
The best thing they could do to encourage folks would be the higher the ilev of the neck the greater increase in stats you would see as the amount of ap greatly increases per level.
10/31/2018 08:31 PMPosted by MorgueartThe common sense solution is to barely cap your level and wait for after tuesday to do anymore than that.
Something tells me if I did the math and your existing ap for the week is scaled down at the same rate the cap is scaled down this would not be equivalent to the time it took to regain the ap lost and reach the the lowered cap. it would worsen the closer you were to capping for the week. That's just a guess though.
At least with the concordance you gained a meaningful amount of spell power, etc. per level. With the neck piece it's like a +2 to all the stats. in other words a meaningless amount per ilev gained.
The best thing they could do to encourage folks would be the higher the ilev of the neck the greater increase in stats you would see as the amount of ap greatly increases per level.
Actually the best thing they could do is put secondary stats back on your helm, chest, and shoulders. But they probably won't do that and would rather keep "procing" secondaries as powers to make up for the extreme lack of secondary stats.
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10/31/2018 08:35 PMPosted by BeastbashxActually the best thing they could do is put secondary stats back on your helm, chest, and shoulders. But they probably won't do that and would rather keep "procing" secondaries as powers to make up for the extreme lack of secondary stats.
I would much prefer that over the azerite procs. The best I have ever seen a triple stacked azerite power do at ilev 350ish is 5%ish increase in damage, even the uldir traits that they tout on wowhead with those charts as a 340 trait being 500+ dps more than a non uldir trait at greater than 360 ilev.
It has not been my experience but that could be my playstyle or other factor.
10/31/2018 08:31 PMPosted by MorgueartThe common sense solution is to barely cap your level and wait for after tuesday to do anymore than that.
Something tells me if I did the math and your existing ap for the week is scaled down at the same rate the cap is scaled down this would not be equivalent to the time it took to regain the ap lost and reach the the lowered cap. it would worsen the closer you were to capping for the week. That's just a guess though.
At least with the concordance you gained a meaningful amount of spell power, etc. per level. With the neck piece it's like a +2 to all the stats. in other words a meaningless amount per ilev gained.
The best thing they could do to encourage folks would be the higher the ilev of the neck the greater increase in stats you would see as the amount of ap greatly increases per level.
What I think they need to do is keep track of the total amount of AP we've accrued.
Suppose at one point in time total AP of 10k means a neckpiece level of 15. But after several weeks, a total AP of 10k means a neckpiece of level 20.
At the moment...if we logged off...we'd still be at level 15 when we logged on several weeks later (it would just be easier to level up)...b/c our total azerite level is also reduced. What should happen is that we should log on and our neckpiece level should reflect how much total AP we had accrued...which in this hypothetical scenario would be level 20.
You'll level your pants and like it, mister.
If your current AP didn't scale down, you'd eventually gain a level on your neck without doing anything. If you do the math, the remaining amount of AP you need to get a level is reduced by 30% per week.
10/31/2018 08:44 PMPosted by ZoeyIf you do the math, the remaining amount of AP you need to get a level is reduced by 30% per week.
I can see their logic in not wanting folks to gain levels without doing anything but it is a nerf no matter how you look at it. You worked for the points, you earned them, and because they can not invent any other method they take away earned power.
It's the same issue with ilev scaling. You lose power to make it easier for them to design encounters. It is counterintuitive to the entire idea of progressing your character through gaining better gear.
It is akin to the glitch in ilev scaling in legion when removing gear made you stronger. They even apologized for it then but somehow it is now okay to design the game in this fashion.
We proved exhaustively after the first time this happened that scaling both your current and needed AP provides the exact effect that we had in Legion. It is the exact inverse of the Legion system.
10/31/2018 08:44 PMPosted by Zoeyf your current AP didn't scale down, you'd eventually gain a level on your neck without doing anything. If you do the math, the remaining amount of AP you need to get a level is reduced by 30% per week.
If you are not earning more then 30% of what you normally earn you risk losing your entire weeks AP.
10/31/2018 09:17 PMPosted by NethrIf you are not earning more then 30% of what you normally earn you risk losing your entire weeks AP.
I think this proves that it is nothing like legion's system where you never lost earned power under any circumstance.
10/31/2018 09:14 PMPosted by ArgorwalWe proved exhaustively after the first time this happened that scaling both your current and needed AP provides the exact effect that we had in Legion. It is the exact inverse of the Legion system.
Your incorrect as the above statement proves that you can lose more if you don't maintain the 30% gain weekly, which is obviously a nerf.
The only guaranteed way to 'park' an alt for a few weeks is to get just above the cap to a new level because at least they provided a bottom cap so that you won't lose levels for inactivity.
10/31/2018 08:31 PMPosted by MorgueartThe common sense solution is to barely cap your level and wait for after tuesday to do anymore than that.
Something tells me if I did the math and your existing ap for the week is scaled down at the same rate the cap is scaled down this would not be equivalent to the time it took to regain the ap lost and reach the the lowered cap. it would worsen the closer you were to capping for the week. That's just a guess though.
Your guess is wrong:
Monday Night: 15000/17550 (2550 needed to level)
Tuesday Morning: 11538/13500 (1962 needed to level)
1962 < 2550
11/01/2018 05:01 PMPosted by Morgueart10/31/2018 09:17 PMPosted by NethrIf you are not earning more then 30% of what you normally earn you risk losing your entire weeks AP.
I think this proves that it is nothing like legion's system where you never lost earned power under any circumstance.10/31/2018 09:14 PMPosted by ArgorwalWe proved exhaustively after the first time this happened that scaling both your current and needed AP provides the exact effect that we had in Legion. It is the exact inverse of the Legion system.
Your incorrect as the above statement proves that you can lose more if you don't maintain the 30% gain weekly, which is obviously a nerf.
The only guaranteed way to 'park' an alt for a few weeks is to get just above the cap to a new level because at least they provided a bottom cap so that you won't lose levels for inactivity.
Here is 1 of many threads you can find where we debunked this notion that its different than the Legion system.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20767769368?page=1
Legion
AP Items - Scaled
Current AP - Static
AP Needed - Static
BfA
AP Items - Static
Current AP - Scaled
AP Needed - Scaled
The exact flip from Legion.
11/01/2018 05:01 PMPosted by MorgueartThe only guaranteed way to 'park' an alt for a few weeks is to get just above the cap to a new level because at least they provided a bottom cap so that you won't lose levels for inactivity
good to know, thanks. Have a week+ away I will be off the grid (not even cellular for a phone). Will makes sure to top off the tank if I can a few days out and say screw it, see ya when I come back.
Oddly enough...I like that off that grid feeling. Some would go your hotel should have wifi. On vacations I am in the room to shower, sleep shave. Married with a kid....the real fun other S not an option lol.
Pay to see the world as it were...I see the world not a hotel room lol.
11/01/2018 05:50 PMPosted by Duvainil11/01/2018 05:01 PMPosted by MorgueartThe only guaranteed way to 'park' an alt for a few weeks is to get just above the cap to a new level because at least they provided a bottom cap so that you won't lose levels for inactivity
good to know, thanks. Have a week+ away I will be off the grid (not even cellular for a phone). Will makes sure to top off the tank if I can a few days out and say screw it, see ya when I come back.
Oddly enough...I like that off that grid feeling. Some would go your hotel should have wifi. On vacations I am in the room to shower, sleep shave. Married with a kid....the real fun other S not an option lol.
Pay to see the world as it were...I see the world not a hotel room lol.
You're free to do what you want, but this system is the exact inverse of Legion and it does not matter at all what your current AP is in terms of how the catchup systems help or work.
11/01/2018 06:17 PMPosted by Argorwaland it does not matter at all what your current AP is in terms of how the catchup systems help or work.
I know. Catch up only seems to work on newer chars as well. My latest 120 stormed through AP levels at first. Now...she is where the 2 main 120's are.
Saying are we there yet? The bar moves slow.
No hard numbers but did feel much faster at first and now even 1400 cache hit does not move this along fast anymore.
She will be like the mains soon...level 22 ish and I just stop caring. 1-2 traits on a 340/370 piece and I call her done.
11/01/2018 05:01 PMPosted by Morgueart10/31/2018 09:17 PMPosted by NethrIf you are not earning more then 30% of what you normally earn you risk losing your entire weeks AP.
I think this proves that it is nothing like legion's system where you never lost earned power under any circumstance.10/31/2018 09:14 PMPosted by ArgorwalWe proved exhaustively after the first time this happened that scaling both your current and needed AP provides the exact effect that we had in Legion. It is the exact inverse of the Legion system.
Your incorrect as the above statement proves that you can lose more if you don't maintain the 30% gain weekly, which is obviously a nerf.
The only guaranteed way to 'park' an alt for a few weeks is to get just above the cap to a new level because at least they provided a bottom cap so that you won't lose levels for inactivity.
numbers-wise you donât lose anything. youâre thinking of it as if the scaling is a set number. if you went from 400/500 to 250/350, the latter would indeed be a smaller value, and you would have lost progress
in reality, if you have 400/500 one week, youâll have 280/350 the next week. these are completely equivalent values. itâs scaling everything down so that your percentage through a level remains the same; the only comparative âgainâ youâre making if you stay just above a level cusp is in points you havenât earned yet
basically, the progress youâve already made took longer than the progress youâll make in the futureâand thatâs exactly how legion was. AP took longer to gain at the beginning of the expansion. if you farmed a bunch of AP the night before a new AK level became available, you technically lost some time by not waiting to get more bang for your buck. the only way not to âlose outâ was/is to just not play at all, because everything will always be (and has always been) faster and easier at a later date
(âcourse, all this is completely ignoring the issue of whether there even is any progression to azerite gear... e.g. repeatedly farming AP to unlock the same traits. but that has nothing to do with the topic of catchup mechanics so iâm not gettin into it)
Then why was it so easy to max out the artifact on an alt all the way to concordance easily with 2 ap tokens and this expac itâs quite obvious you cannot âcatch upâ anywhere near as fast as you could in legion.
because weâre only a couple months into the expansion? you canât compare the strength of catchup mechanics in an x.0 patch to those in an x.2 or x.3 patch, ya boob
Incorrect. When the artifact catch up system was implemented it was an immediate massive benefit. Right now if i use an alt it gets about 4 levels on the neck then goes back to taking a week per level.
Thereâs no decent reason to design a catch up mechanism that does nothing of the sort but instead removes earned points. This is NOT anything like legionâs system and under no circumstance should losing earned points be part of a design. Itâs just another example of the apathy and laziness of the wow team.
Wow is obviously no longer being worked on much and they seem content to let it wither.
theyâre squishing ALL values, not just the points youâve earned. each weekly squish leaves you with exactly the same progress as you already had. the only reason you feel like youâre losing more if youâre 90% of the way into a level is because you donât see that the squish is also happening on levels youâve already completed!
basically, each squish increases the value of every point you gain AFTER the squish has occurred. if they didnât squish your existing points as well, then points gained at the beginning of the expansion would have exactly the same value as points gained at the end of the expansion. it would be like if legion artifact knowledge retroactively upgraded every token you ever used
iâm not talking about how it âfeelsâ here. iâm not talking about the length of the levels. iâm talking about how the catchup system works, mathematically. and how the catchup system works is, at its core, exactly the same: every week, the value of ONLY FUTURE TOKENS is increased by 30%. perhaps the current presentation of it feels worse, but presentation is the only difference
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