Why would you make an alt?
Because sometimes you get tired of how you look, and also get tired of paying for fantasias. And because despite the fact you can be all the jobs on one character, weekly lockouts are character based, not job based.
You finish your weekly activities on one character with an hour of play every Tuesday. An alt doubles that.
But thatâs beside the point. The alt was an example of how it is less accessible and fun to new players.
False. The coup leader did not control the entire army at the point weâre running in the sewer. With no opposition on the way, just some guards pursuing us.
The WoL literally left the place he was at, without his friend, this is the definition of leaving someone behind. And do so with full knowledge that his friends will probably die (since up to this point he still believes the false murder). So it does not matter if he was âasked toâ, by all definitions he left his friends behind to die.
You can say you like this story, but that is just very poor tastes. Also, you need to be dishonest and say that the âWoL did not leave his friends to dieâ, but that was precisely what happened, you just donât want to admit how terrible the story is, lying to yourself.
ARR was pretty choppy. Honestly, I donât even really remember it too much. First play through was years ago, and my alt I skipped most of the cutscenes.
You would be right to say the story (the voice dialogue is pretty bad too) is weak in ARR. Even Heavensward isnât amazing in some aspects. It wasnât really until Shadowbringers that the story really started to take off.
Which is why I think the game needs a serious reworking of lower-level story MSQâŚstreamline it, hell even recton some of it to match the latter expansions and make it a more cohesive journey.
Itâs no secret the game developers were just kind of making things up as they went along, of which they have already admitted doing. The cohesive and inspiring story didnât really start to take shape until Natsuko Ishikawa came on the writing scene. She really took the gameâs story in a new direction, starting in Stormblood, and you can really see her touch in the last two expansions.
They have already taken steps by adding in duty support for the important duties, and have made the MSQ roulette scenarios much more entertaining by splitting it up into more digestible chunks with real mechanics.
To be honest, I know it, since I have finished Endwalker already. All my profiles are public, and my steam one is not an exception. Steam => id/truewarlord
There is a huge problem with FFXIV community, they donât accept any kind of criticism. You may read it as a big false generalization, but seriously, it is not.
If you go to WoW forums to complain about WoW lore, about Blizzard killing the story, you sure will get some crazy whitknights saying nonsenses, but by all means the large community will be very reasonable.
Now if you point out even the most obvious problems in FFXIV lore, even the ones EVERYONE knows is at fault and developers itself said so, the ABSOLUTELY MAJORITY of FFXIV community canât handle it, they will say youâre a hater, someone who never finished the story, they will mock you, they will lie to your face, etc.
FFXIV has the worst community I had the displeasure of being part, a bunch of fanatics that canât handle any kind of criticism. Iâm never going back to that game.
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After Dragonflight launched, WoW retail is the largest âMMORPGâ community. FFXIV is the second largest with WoW classic being the 5th largest (all based on subs and daily players) That said, a large community does not make a game or break a game.
WoWâs story after WoTLK is a joke as well. Even when Legion and BoA show promise in story telling, Blizzard has a tough time carrying it through.
That said the âbestâ overall story of any MMORPG is easily LOTROâs. Just look at the books and movie tickets sold yet that game has abysmal sub numbers, something like 15th highest.
SWTOR has class stories that put every MMORPG to shame, yet also has bad sub numbers which are slightly higher than LOTRO.
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I agree. I believe I enumerated some of the criticisms here, but youâre right, the community at large doesnât want to hear it.
Thatâs literally WoWâs community, the difference is in FFXIV you donât get suspensions for not carrying the narrative due to faulty reporting systems.
False. WoW community is infinity better at handling criticism. Full stop.
When people complained about what Blizz did to Arthas, there were very few whiteknights defending Blizz, and the absolute majority of the community was supportive to the complaints/criticism. That is just one example, but a simple look at the forums shows that WoW community supports good criticism.
Now about FFXIV community, you canât say no criticism towards the game, not in game or in the forums, without these freaking fanatics going toward you. And these are the absolutely MAJORITY in the FFXIV community.
Yesterday I was complaining about how you need to use Google to know what things you have not unlocked yet. In FFXIV the DEVs thought it was a good idea to completely HIDE everything you did not unlock on the duty finder, so unless someone says to you âhey have you unlock pandemonium yet?â you would not even KNOW pandemonium raid is a thingâŚ
Now guess what? The FFXIV community reply with all sorts of âstop being lazyâ and âif you donât want to research on google it is your faultâ and all crappy you can imagineâŚ
Look at this thread where I point out how it is stupid that the main character decided to left every single friend behind to die while running, look at how the FFXIV community handles criticism. These fanatics saying âyou did not leave anyone behind because your friends asked for you to leave them behindâ⌠I mean what?
FFXIV community is the worst MMORPG community ever. They canât handle any kind of criticism. Theyâre a bunch of toxic fanatics and nothing else. The vast majority, and by a very large margin.
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False, FFXIV community doesnât call people vulgarities and all other manner of childish names, WoW is the most corrosive on earth thanks to their elitist culture. The fact that false reporting is done to silent critics is WELL DOCUMENTED on YT and Reddit, you can deny reality all you want, but thereâs ZERO evidence to backup what youâre saying, you quite literally live in a different reality.
The thread youâre replying proves what Iâm saying, but youâre clearly just another FFXIV fanatical, so words have no meaning. So Iâm already blocking you because I will waste no time with extremist toxic FFXIV people.
Here for non-fanatical people who may want to check, look around:
More examples:
Anyway, guess this is already clear for anyone that is not a total fanatical.
If you go to WoW forums to complain about WoW lore, about Blizzard killing the story, you sure will get some crazy whitknights saying nonsenses, but by all means the large community will be very reasonable.
Now if you point out even the most obvious problems in FFXIV lore, even the ones EVERYONE knows is at fault and developers itself said so, the ABSOLUTELY MAJORITY of FFXIV community canât handle it, they will say youâre a hater, someone who never finished the story, they will mock you, they will lie to your face, etc.
FFXIV has the worst community I had the displeasure of being part, a bunch of fanatics that canât handle any kind of criticism. That is why the game donât improve.
Youâd have to like Final Fantasy to really even get into the story. Big surprise, Final Fantasy XIV players are Final Fantasy fans and they enjoy the story.
I seriously do not even think you actually followed the story if this was the conclusion you came to. The Warrior of Light is not presented as infalliable or all-powerfulâcertain circumstances elevate the WoL above common adventurers due to their connection with Hydaelyn, but the WoL is capable of failure. This is seen multiple times throughout the story. Bad things can still happen to them and those around them.
You were also invited to a royal function that was put together specifically to celebrate your accomplishments, after having helped form a nation-agnostic coalition that was helping where the Grand Companies could notâonly to then discover that the function was a trap designed to capture you and the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. The WoL does not just âleave everyone behind;â they escape because the literally have no other choice.
A big misconception is that this is 40 million active subs. Like how WoW used to report their numbers, itâs 40 million total accounts. Total sub numbers are not known, but theyâre estimated to peak in the low 4 millions whenever a major content patch releases. Sub numbers also ebb and flow constantly with the release of content and expansions. Much like World of Warcraft.
Youâre also not considering that a not-insignificant amount of the playerbase are Japanese and they donât primarily use Steam as their platform to run XIV.
And, no; it is strongly advised for new players to buy their copy of the game directly through Square-Enix, not through Steam. The additional layer of authentication needed is more of an inconvenience to a lot of people. Not much more, but it still isnât insignificant.
XIV players are split across Steam, PS3/PS4 and the launcher so steam numbers really donât mean anything for that game while I doubt they have 80mil subs its higher than youâre making out to be and for this particularly game Steam players are in the minority.
Casually glossing over the reason youâre running from the Ulâdahn guards doesnât make for a good argument. But itâs a weird way to say you donât care for the political intrigue of the story, but I guess that would have been too much work to trudge on. I got tired of the game too, but at least I can blame ARRâs atrocious pacing and come out with a more solid discussion on why it should be fixed even more than it already was.
You left out the part where the reason why youâre escaping Ulâdah is because their monarch was murdered and you were left holding the bag by the corrupt Syndicate who committed the act of treason put the blame for it on your entire order, and so you venture to Ishgard to seek sanctuary and assistance because heaven forbid thatâs what innocent people who are framed should do.
Something tells me you stopped after ARR and thought you could build a suitable argument out of that.
My FFXIV profile is public and I already finished Endwalker. Same character nickname.
My point is that it makes no sense for the WoL to let his friends behind TO DIE while running from the guards pursuing him (knowing there is no opposition ahead in the sewers).
You may come with all kind of justification for the WoL to let his friends behind to die (or pretend this never happened, like the FFXIV fanatics said before you). But if you take 1 min to think about it you will realize that it makes no sense⌠Even if the WoL did not want to harm these guards, he would never let his friends behind to die like that.
I know the Scions did not actually die, but the WoL did not have enough to know it would not happen at that point, all the evidence we had at that point is that they would die.
Also remember these guards are no match for the WoL who had fight the empire soldiers and the ULTIMA weapon⌠Even without the crystal empowering him the WoL manage to defeat the ULTIMA weaponâŚ
They were really just making stuff up as they went up until Shadowbringers or so. Most of the callbacks are just convenient so they donât have to retcon too much.
They did a great job with what they had to work with, turning kind of so-so content into really compelling storytelling.
Warning massive spoilers ahead:
If youâve finished Endwalker, tell me you didnât get the feels when Mommy crystal did her thing.
Or at the end of Ultima Thule MSQ.
And then when you thought you were about to die fighting the Endsinger, then your homies come with the Makerâs Ruin WoL soundtrack (you know, the boss knows the jig is up when the main theme plays)
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I did not like what they did with Zodiark. I did not like the whole Meteion plot âcanât find meaning of life in the universe, so itâs better to destroy everythingâ⌠I donât like the story at all.
But sure, Iâm not a hater. FFXIV had many goose bumps moments, and while I prefer âinstrumental epic musicâ for fantasy setting immersion, the Footfalls full song is a masterpiece.
I actually had use Footfalls song for the final scene of my new D&D campaign. Still remember the song in the background âFearless heart ablaze, no more time to waste, no itâs not too late, to forge aheadâ with the players characters using all they had to try that final blow on the Avatar of Asmodeus. This music has a special place in my heart. (I also love the âAnswerâ old song, and the Shadowbringers theme)
While I overhaul dislike the FFXIV story as a whole, I must admit that for every 2 or 3 facepalm moment, I also had at least one goose bumps moment. Fair enough, I guess.
Youâre in the minority then. I and most others loved it.
That is a hard thing to prove.
In my obvious empirical view, I know just too many people that could not even finish MSQ due to its boring nature. And I also met just too many FFXIV fans that skipped EVERY SINGLE SCENE and donât care to the lore at all, they only care about their ERP weird stuffâŚ