The fact that we have to choose between shiv’ing a potentially dangerous enrage (due to others not doing it) and roughly a 30%~ damage buff kinda sucks. Especially in regards to bringing utility. I appreciate what Blizzard has done to minimize the extra buttons but I’d much prefer having Shiv (or at least the enrage dispel) on a seperate button (ideally with a shorter CD) than our nature damage increase.
Maybe a new ability like ‘Numbing Dose’ to keep it from being too strong (in regards to a shorter CD Shiv regarding Crippling Poison)
p.s. Bring back Deadly Brew, asking for a friend >.> lol
Our ability to dispel enrages does indeed need to be off of shiv. It also needs to not be a 25 second cooldown. Druids have a ranged version castable in form on a 10 second cooldown.
Why would you be dispelling enrage when a hunter can do it 2x with their 10s cd to your 1 time?
You dont have a single hunter in your raid?
Druids can dispel it as well, As far as mythic+ goes, classes have to give up dps sometimes to cover weak group comps…ask any hunter that has to provide bloodlust.
This is the one change they definitely should add. I see people complaining about SnD auto refresh and dumbing down the rotation. They should just split the shiv back to being shiv and toxic blade. Give us 1 more button to press when it’s needed. That way, we’d have more utility in group, still able to maintain our damage. Having 1 extra, useful skill to use is way better than some boring maintenance buff.
No one said anything about raid, but to be fair, I wasn’t specific. I did mean dungeons in general (and to a much lesser extent raids). But not just m+. Regular randoms, heroics, +0, etc. Normally not a huge deal in those but still nice utility that a lot of people don’t utilize (hunters, druids, rogues or otherwise) because they’d rather do damage and/or not waste the GCD/resources.
I don’t understand why you feel compelled to argue against utility of a rogue from a hunter forum alt. As you said, sometimes you have to give up dps for the benefit of the group. Having access to a much more reliable enrage dispel would be nice, it still has an energy cost mind you so it’s not like it’s free.
I just enjoy doing what I can and fully utilizing my classes toolkit. I use feint and crimson vial, I don’t just rely solely on healers to keep me alive but I guess you do? Cause you know, they can heal much more efficiently than we can, per your argument regarding CDs.
It’s already silly that they slapped our damage boost into Shiv to begin with but I don’t even care about that, I’d just like to be able to dispel enrages on a shorter CD, which you can’t do without damaging our burst window or making it too strong (or even worse, another static buff that we have to keep up, which honestly I’d take over the longer CD)
/end rant lol
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They’re likely just another FOTM reroll worried about an extra button that they’d never hit anyways
Weird flex but okay? Few things. This char is my original char from Vanilla. So, not sure why that matters. Not sure what you mean by ‘current main’ though since this has been my main since vanilla and every expansion since then but cute try I guess.
Achievements didn’t actually even exist until TBC. Granted there’s a few that were grandfathered in (such as PvP titles) but I find it highly unlikely that you earned Knight-Lieutenant with 1,906 honorable kills. More likely a previous main did. I mean, you don’t even have a lot of the basic legacy achievements like max weapon skills lol.
Not that any of that matters since when I said FOTM reroll I meant as a rogue, hence your hunter is irrelevant in all regards to that. But by all means, hop on a rogue that existed pre-Shadowlands and post away.
Also important to note that in all the (valid mind you) points that I made in my original response to your post, you deflected and went straight into defense mode all ‘MUH ALT’. The least relevant of the points. It really doesn’t matter what you post on, it was just an observation and again, you’re either hiding on a forum alt (most likely) or haven’t been max level nor a rogue this xpac so have no idea what you’re talking about.
At this point, it’s clear you’re not even reading what I’m writing. I’m done responding to you. You’ve made it painfully obvious that you have no idea what you’re talking about and I think anyone that takes the time to read our ‘discussion’ will see that. Sick troll, dude. Have a great day lol.
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Checks out to me. The way I worded it (albeit badly) was to accommodate PvP and find a balance. Shiv is an odd ability currently, it does a lot.
It changes based on poison (improved slow with crip vs dispel with numbing) and it has a DPS component to it for sin. So, they have to balance the CD of that improved slow against the DPS component generally with little regard to the dispel (since it’s usually not super relevant).
You either have to remove the dispel from it and make it a seperate ability with a shorter CD or you have to likely remove the damage component (with same CD, aka Toxic Blade) and then lower the Shiv CD but also rebalance the improved slow so if you have crippling on it either increases the CD of Shiv or has a reduced effect.
Having to choose between improved slow vs damage burst is fine, especially when you usually want those two together anyways. The dispel is usually an afterthought. So it’s easier and more beneficial to separate the dispel (for the sake of utility) than ‘toxic blade’.
Dream scenario? Shiv is an enrage dispel that applies your (basic) non-lethal on a 10~ sec CD and bring back Toxic Blade (maybe SIn only) being an improved version of your non-lethal (imp slow for crip, magical dispel for numbing) and the damage boost component for Sin on the standard (if not slightly longer CD).
This would create an enrage dispel CD that all classes can use while also ensuring you stick the non-lethal (for PvP) while creating a stronger version via Toxic Blade for Sin (which fits the class theme) that can also pull magical effects, which in PvP would arguably be too strong, especially on a short CD. However, in PvP you generally are using crippling so the magical dispel wouldn’t play into it as often.
Result: PvE Sin has not one but two dispel buttons (one enrage and one magical tied damage boost) which is a nice utility for PvE. PvP Sin has an extra way to ensure crippling goes up as well as an enrage dispel while also retaining the improved snare provided by crippling to coincide with the damage boost.
tldr: Shiv = Enrage dispel and apply base non-lethal, 10~ sec CD. Toxic Blade (possibly Sin only) = Apply Improved Non-Lethal (and Sin damage boost) with imp slow for crippling or one (1) magical dispel with numbing, 25~ sec CD.
