did garrote/rupture just get buffed? It’s doin a lot of dam on retail
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Until you realize all healers will be Evokers and then rip sin rogues.
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I wouldn’t say they are doing a lot of damage.
Sin rogue needs 8 globals to put its full send on you and at max ramp you are only getting about 22-24k dps for about 6-7 seconds in total since using these cooldowns also reduce the duration of the bleeds (mainly garrote) on your target by half. Then they do pretty mediocre damage for 2 min since the only damage they can do is with empowered garrote which is only available from stealth / sepsis and they only get 1 two min cooldown vanish. All in all it would take a sin rogue about 10-12 seconds to kill a geared afk target.
I think a lot of people just don’t respect the CDs of them. Like when a DH goes meta or pally blows wings everyone SLAMS their defensives instantly. If the same respect was given to sin rogue you wouldn’t really die to one.
Also kyrian phial removes every single dps cooldown from you. You basically become immune to assassination rogues with 1 button.
Also evokers get a base talent that removes their bleeds as well, again making them useless.
I wish I played against people that didn’t react to Vendetta instantly.
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I’m really curious how Blizzard is going to handle the Evoker conundrum. They made Evoker really awesome (Mechanically). They are ugly and lack cosmetic options but they are fun.
Evokers are defining how other classes are being viewed and if a class will be played often. They surely don’t want to start nerfing the new class…so…
i was quein some rsham 2s and although historically sin rogue always owns rsham, him just having garrote/rupture on both of us felt like pretty dece pressure
then every kidney/shiv required a CD trade
Vendetta got removed, the new CD is deathmark which may be why people seems slow to react and overvalue sin’s damage. A lot of times players just sit the cheapshot and let them ramp, realize it was a mistake, then try to catch up but sin has instant 40% healing reduction with shiv so they get themselves into trouble.
Yeah, big damage button on two minute CD that’s also a bleed so all the usual stuff that destroys Assa now ruins it even harder. 
Geckos can rip it off every minute.
Yeah but sub is getting buffed so hopefully it will be the way to go, I would hate to play sin in dragonflight between dwarves and evokers.
I would sinserely hope that if a rogue had full bleeds on you, even not empowered, 40% MS and a full 6 second stun it would force a cooldown lol. Even a ret without wings + healer damage can force a cd in a full HoJ.
This is just more proof that people don’t respect them, what other dps class in the game would you be surprised you have to trade a CD when in a 6 second stun XD.
Also don’t let the rogue get free restealths.
it used to be you only had to trade CD’s on kidney if it was coupled with something else like disc helping, bomb, vendetta or bad positioning meaning ur in range of step kick, now it’s just unhealable without my CDs.
Not that im complaining, thats probly how it should be i agree
A tip is exang has a 45 second cd and kingsbane has a 1 min cooldown. These are the minor CDs but paired together with the stun can still pressure pretty hard. Deathmark is 2 min and will definitely need to be defensived.
This means that it should be every other kidney that is somewhat scary. The ones inbetween should just be for peeling/baiting or to pinch someone off if you got too far behind. For maximum burst you want 2x shiv during kingsbane so unless you are really going to die the in-between kidney shots shouldn’t have shiv on them. If they do and you don’t die that means you will take less damage on the big one coming up so win/win.
Also don’t underestimate peeling the rogue. It’s not just lolbleeds u die. Kingsbane is a ramping cd that gets substantially more powerful each time you proc a lethal poison on the target. Peeling and kiting during this reduces the damage quite a bit.
I’m really hoping this isn’t going to be a s5-s6 dk wrath thing where they just let this level of blatant imbalance ruin the game. They didn’t make the same mistakes with monks or DH on release so I’m hoping they wake up and address these dwaguns.
Yes sin has been powerful since the first man and woman. Are you living in an abandoned subway tunnel beneath new York or something
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Is it really abandoned if someone is living there? Don’t let the government control you by diminishing your existence to lesser than that of inanimate objects, Amatox.
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thats pretty helpful info
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Nerf Rogues
Yeah, deathmark sounds awesome and then they introduce Evoker with a 1 min CD full cleanse + heal.
if only rogues had a way to make sure someone couldnt use their abilities during their goes
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Yeah that’s totally gonna work lol. Durrrr. At best you’ll get half duration deathmarks or worse every go.